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They are also scrupulous tax avoiders in the UK. Pay your fair fucking share.

by dabeeeenster 6y ago

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natchy 6y ago
IMO its in the public's interest to not suffocate startups. different story now that they've IPO'd.
oh_sigh 6y ago
Do you not take any legal deductions on the taxes you pay? I'd imagine you are a tax avoider too.
- Layke1123 6y ago
  Do you not legally cheat on your significant other? I'd imagine you are a cheater too.
  - Layke1123 6y ago
    Can anyone explain to me why I am being downvoted for this? It was not a direct assault, only a statement to try to show deficiency in an argument. If it needs to be edited to seem such as, please let me know how it could be better worded if you see merit in the argument.
jzwinck 6y ago
Write tax laws that are clear, simple, automatable and enforced. Then people will pay tax. Complicated tax laws beget complicated tax dodges. At this point no one in the UK or US or many other countries is able to answer a simple question like "Has this company paid the amount of tax we intended?" It's all gray areas, and it's all your fault, not the foreign companies'.
- disiplus 6y ago
  That is a bullshit argument, even when writing code, there are bug's in it. And if you exploit a bug to gain access to something that you don't have access it does not magically make it your's. the same if you found a way to open the door of the house you cannot say it's my house the door had a loophole. Most of those loopholes are exploitable only with a setup that those multi billion international companyes have access to. It's one thing to to take care of you own set of taxes you have to operate in a international context.
pembrook 6y ago
If a tax scheme is poorly designed and has loopholes, the correct way to solve the problem is to redesign said tax scheme and close the loopholes. Not to complain about individual actors following the schemes that you set up. Why do you feel Airbnb should voluntarily donate money to the government beyond what they are legally required? How much should they donate? Will all other companies be required to provide this donation, or just the high profile ones that upset you?
- dabeeeenster 6y ago
  There will always be loopholes. Companies don't HAVE to create a double Irish dutch sandwich, creating webs of companies that loan IP to each other and other such nonsense. They make a choice to do this. This isn't about them overpaying or "donating". This is about them doing the right thing. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/nov/28/netflix-to-start-declaring-1bn-plus-uk-revenues-to-hmrc-google-amazon-tax-arrangements https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/nov/28/netflix-to-sta... They can do the right thing. They just choose not to.
  - vmception 6y ago
    You see that's the difference between you and I. I don't view countries as representations of righteous morality, I view them as market participants, no different than you or I or a corporation or a financial institution is a market participant. Speculators with legitimate reasons to stuff their coffers. There are many people and organizations like me, and make no mistake, the other countries around a country thinks the exact same way. When a country cannot reach consensus on how to tax, that is a prison of their own creation. When a coalition of countries cannot reach consensus on how to curb behaviors they don't like, that is also a prison of their own creation. They are in competition with each other. Some of us are playing by a set of rules that recognizes that, it is also a more effective set of rules.
    - allendoerfer 6y ago
      You do realize how laws are being made and how loopholes find their way into tax codes? States are not individuals, you cannot treat them like a person, just being to dumb to do what's good for them. They are run by many people everyone of which having their own profit motives. So it is very easy to lobby them into doing stuff detrimental to the general public. It is much easier for a company run by its founders to act morally. Airbnb does not, which to me is not the end of the world, but worth pointing out in thread about how great those founders supposedly are. Suggesting that it is just the state's fault is a naive view.
papito 6y ago
Whoever heard of paying back to a country that helped you get rich! Nonsense, Sir!

They are also scrupulous tax avoiders in the UK. Pay your fair fucking share.

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natchy 6y ago

IMO its in the public's interest to not suffocate startups. different story now that they've IPO'd.

oh_sigh 6y ago

Do you not take any legal deductions on the taxes you pay? I'd imagine you are a tax avoider too.

Layke1123 6y ago
Do you not legally cheat on your significant other? I'd imagine you are a cheater too.
- Layke1123 6y ago
  Can anyone explain to me why I am being downvoted for this? It was not a direct assault, only a statement to try to show deficiency in an argument. If it needs to be edited to seem such as, please let me know how it could be better worded if you see merit in the argument.

jzwinck 6y ago

Write tax laws that are clear, simple, automatable and enforced. Then people will pay tax. Complicated tax laws beget complicated tax dodges. At this point no one in the UK or US or many other countries is able to answer a simple question like "Has this company paid the amount of tax we intended?" It's all gray areas, and it's all your fault, not the foreign companies'.

disiplus 6y ago
That is a bullshit argument, even when writing code, there are bug's in it. And if you exploit a bug to gain access to something that you don't have access it does not magically make it your's. the same if you found a way to open the door of the house you cannot say it's my house the door had a loophole. Most of those loopholes are exploitable only with a setup that those multi billion international companyes have access to. It's one thing to to take care of you own set of taxes you have to operate in a international context.

pembrook 6y ago

If a tax scheme is poorly designed and has loopholes, the correct way to solve the problem is to redesign said tax scheme and close the loopholes. Not to complain about individual actors following the schemes that you set up. Why do you feel Airbnb should voluntarily donate money to the government beyond what they are legally required? How much should they donate? Will all other companies be required to provide this donation, or just the high profile ones that upset you?

dabeeeenster 6y ago
There will always be loopholes. Companies don't HAVE to create a double Irish dutch sandwich, creating webs of companies that loan IP to each other and other such nonsense. They make a choice to do this. This isn't about them overpaying or "donating". This is about them doing the right thing. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/nov/28/netflix-to-start-declaring-1bn-plus-uk-revenues-to-hmrc-google-amazon-tax-arrangements https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/nov/28/netflix-to-sta... They can do the right thing. They just choose not to.
- vmception 6y ago
  You see that's the difference between you and I. I don't view countries as representations of righteous morality, I view them as market participants, no different than you or I or a corporation or a financial institution is a market participant. Speculators with legitimate reasons to stuff their coffers. There are many people and organizations like me, and make no mistake, the other countries around a country thinks the exact same way. When a country cannot reach consensus on how to tax, that is a prison of their own creation. When a coalition of countries cannot reach consensus on how to curb behaviors they don't like, that is also a prison of their own creation. They are in competition with each other. Some of us are playing by a set of rules that recognizes that, it is also a more effective set of rules.
  - allendoerfer 6y ago
    You do realize how laws are being made and how loopholes find their way into tax codes? States are not individuals, you cannot treat them like a person, just being to dumb to do what's good for them. They are run by many people everyone of which having their own profit motives. So it is very easy to lobby them into doing stuff detrimental to the general public. It is much easier for a company run by its founders to act morally. Airbnb does not, which to me is not the end of the world, but worth pointing out in thread about how great those founders supposedly are. Suggesting that it is just the state's fault is a naive view.

papito 6y ago

Whoever heard of paying back to a country that helped you get rich! Nonsense, Sir!