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This article explains the originals of the NYT opinion article and the anti-sex work campaigns behind it: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-ho

This article explains the originals of the NYT opinion article and the anti-sex work campaigns behind it: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war-pornhub https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war... Millions of VERY illegal child abuse are uploaded to Facebook, Twitter and all UGC platforms. In the NYT article, the journalist dismisses the (non religious) Internet Watch Foundations number of 118 cases of CSAM on Pornhub over 3 years. He asks IWF why the number is so low and says they couldn't explain it. Maybe because it is.

reaperducer 6y ago
So because there are illegal videos on other platforms, they should be allowed on PH, and the credit card companies should process those charges. That's called deflection. Or in HN-speak: "Whataboutism."
- tomwill656 6y ago
  No, I wonder why Mastercard does process charges on those platforms and what it means especially for Twitter and Reddit that allow UGC adult content. Here's an anecdote from Carrie Goldberg about how Pornhub compares to FB and Instagram: I'm a victims rights lawyer. For every 1 case involving a rape tape on Pornhub, I have 50 involving rape and CSAM being disseminated on Insta and FB. Pornhub is far from perfect. But mainstream big tech is far worse and have a built-in mechanism for harassing victims directly. https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973?s=20 https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973...
- monocasa 6y ago
  If someone was pointing to behavior of another payment processor it'd maybe be deflection or whataboutism. Pointing out that the actor listed is applying their standards here unequally and therefore the standard might not be what's publicly said isn't deflection or whataboutism. The amount the term "whataboutism" is used in an attempt to not have to address an empirical counterargument is getting old.
- hated 6y ago
  It's called targeted enforcement where your friends don't get in trouble. Facebook has so much more clout than PH they can never get cut off from payment processors.
- minitech 6y ago
  > So because there are illegal videos on other platforms, they should be allowed on PH And this is called a “straw man”!
  - spoopyskelly 6y ago
    No, this is why they should stop processing payments for those other platforms too.
    - ric2b 6y ago
      But why don't they? That's the point, it seems aimed at sex work in general, with illegal content as an excuse.
alacombe 6y ago
> Millions of VERY illegal child abuse are uploaded to > Internet Watch Foundations number of 118 cases of CSAM over 3 years If there is millions of them, I'm sure you can do better than 118 cases over 3 years...

reaperducer 6y ago

So because there are illegal videos on other platforms, they should be allowed on PH, and the credit card companies should process those charges. That's called deflection. Or in HN-speak: "Whataboutism."

tomwill656 6y ago
No, I wonder why Mastercard does process charges on those platforms and what it means especially for Twitter and Reddit that allow UGC adult content. Here's an anecdote from Carrie Goldberg about how Pornhub compares to FB and Instagram: I'm a victims rights lawyer. For every 1 case involving a rape tape on Pornhub, I have 50 involving rape and CSAM being disseminated on Insta and FB. Pornhub is far from perfect. But mainstream big tech is far worse and have a built-in mechanism for harassing victims directly. https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973?s=20 https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973...
monocasa 6y ago
If someone was pointing to behavior of another payment processor it'd maybe be deflection or whataboutism. Pointing out that the actor listed is applying their standards here unequally and therefore the standard might not be what's publicly said isn't deflection or whataboutism. The amount the term "whataboutism" is used in an attempt to not have to address an empirical counterargument is getting old.
hated 6y ago
It's called targeted enforcement where your friends don't get in trouble. Facebook has so much more clout than PH they can never get cut off from payment processors.
minitech 6y ago
> So because there are illegal videos on other platforms, they should be allowed on PH And this is called a “straw man”!
- spoopyskelly 6y ago
  No, this is why they should stop processing payments for those other platforms too.
  - ric2b 6y ago
    But why don't they? That's the point, it seems aimed at sex work in general, with illegal content as an excuse.

alacombe 6y ago

> Millions of VERY illegal child abuse are uploaded to > Internet Watch Foundations number of 118 cases of CSAM over 3 years If there is millions of them, I'm sure you can do better than 118 cases over 3 years...