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Pornhub is full of child porn and does very little about it. This is a good choice. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.h

Pornhub is full of child porn and does very little about it. This is a good choice. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-ra....

rhizome 6y ago
Facebook is full of sedition and does nothing about it.
- mfer 6y ago
  Sexual assault of children is illegal. Sedition is only illegal in rare circumstances. In the US anyway.
  - rhizome 6y ago
    Do you think any of those circumstances are happening on FB? Does the supposed rarity make them harder or easier to find?
    - mfer 6y ago
      If FB is unaware of the illegal sedition they have plausible deniability. In this case, MasterCard no longer has plausible deniability. This increases their liability. Imagine someone at a liquor store sells beer to someone. Then, they learn the ID is fake and the person is lying about their age. Once they know someone is doing something illegal they can be held liable if they continue to sell the person beer. Note, I'm not getting into right an wrong here. I'm getting into legal liabilities. Large companies like MasterCard are conservative (legally speaking) in how they handle this stuff.
friend-monoid 6y ago
How do you know they dont do anything about it though? I’d wager they try
- abawany 6y ago
  FTA, the amount of hires they have to weed out visually intensive and traumatic material was listed at 80 worldwide. The article compares it to Facebook's hires for similar weeding out and there was a couple of orders of magnitude difference. I recommend reading the article - it was sobering how bad it is and how it continues to traumatize its victims.
  - fredophile 6y ago
    Given the sizes of the two companies I'd expect Facebook to have one or two orders of magnitude more employees for most roles.
tomwill656 6y ago
They do as much as any UGC platform (auto scanning with photoDNA, reviewing, flags etc) and just committed to doing even more like forcing users to give ID to upload https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/categories/360002934613 https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/categories/360002934613 This was a long campaign by anti-sex work campaigners. Here's an anecdote from Carrie Goldberg about how Pornhub compares to FB and Instagram: I'm a victims rights lawyer. For every 1 case involving a rape tape on Pornhub, I have 50 involving rape and CSAM being disseminated on Insta and FB. Pornhub is far from perfect. But mainstream big tech is far worse and have a built-in mechanism for harassing victims directly. https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973 https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Users who desire to upload content should be forced to provide ID to comply with US law as it relates to age verification of adult talent (2257 Regulation) [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_film_industry_regulations#2257_regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_film_industry_regulation...
  - pricechild 6y ago
    Should they also comply with $pick_a_dictatorship_you_find_reprehensible 's laws? Edit: The comment I replied to has been edited and originally explained the owner was Canadian but serves US customers and so should abide by US law. I don't want to claim to agree or disagree, I'm just not sure how to work out what's right.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Yes. You comply with the laws of the jurisdiction you operate in. You have the freedom to not operate where you don't want to obey local law. EDIT: I edited my comment as I'm not willing to argue the merits of cross border law enforcement actions in this thread.
      - 6y ago
anotherman554 6y ago
Did you notice that article is in the opinion section? That implies it's a work of fiction. No fact checking needed.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > Did you notice that article is in the opinion section? That implies it's a work of fiction. No fact checking needed. That is factually untrue (as I also pointed out in the other sub-thread where you made the same claim): they do fact check their opinion section: The below quote is from a previous NYT Op-ed editor that describes their editorial process. Emphasis is mine. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.htm...: > What happens when your article is accepted? First, you’ll get a contract giving us the right to publish it and laying out some of your responsibilities. The most important ones have to do with originality and truthfulness. You can’t plagiarize yourself, or someone else, and we won’t run something that has appeared in another publication, either print or digital. We request that you disclose anything that might be seen as a conflict of interest, financial or otherwise: Did you invest in a company that you praise in passing? Did you once work with a public official you mention in flattering or critical terms? Could you or an organization or company you represent benefit from the stance you take in an Op-Ed? We need to know. That doesn’t mean we’ll throw out your article on that basis — in most cases it just means disclosing the relationship to the reader. We also need all of the material that supports the facts in your story. That’s the biggest surprise to some people. Yes, we do fact check. Do we do it perfectly? Of course not. Everyone makes mistakes, and when we do we correct them. But the facts in a piece must be supported and validated. You can have any opinion you would like, but you can’t say that a certain battle began on a certain day if it did not.

rhizome 6y ago

Facebook is full of sedition and does nothing about it.

mfer 6y ago
Sexual assault of children is illegal. Sedition is only illegal in rare circumstances. In the US anyway.
- rhizome 6y ago
  Do you think any of those circumstances are happening on FB? Does the supposed rarity make them harder or easier to find?
  - mfer 6y ago
    If FB is unaware of the illegal sedition they have plausible deniability. In this case, MasterCard no longer has plausible deniability. This increases their liability. Imagine someone at a liquor store sells beer to someone. Then, they learn the ID is fake and the person is lying about their age. Once they know someone is doing something illegal they can be held liable if they continue to sell the person beer. Note, I'm not getting into right an wrong here. I'm getting into legal liabilities. Large companies like MasterCard are conservative (legally speaking) in how they handle this stuff.

friend-monoid 6y ago

How do you know they dont do anything about it though? I’d wager they try

abawany 6y ago
FTA, the amount of hires they have to weed out visually intensive and traumatic material was listed at 80 worldwide. The article compares it to Facebook's hires for similar weeding out and there was a couple of orders of magnitude difference. I recommend reading the article - it was sobering how bad it is and how it continues to traumatize its victims.
- fredophile 6y ago
  Given the sizes of the two companies I'd expect Facebook to have one or two orders of magnitude more employees for most roles.

tomwill656 6y ago

They do as much as any UGC platform (auto scanning with photoDNA, reviewing, flags etc) and just committed to doing even more like forcing users to give ID to upload https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/categories/360002934613 https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/categories/360002934613 This was a long campaign by anti-sex work campaigners. Here's an anecdote from Carrie Goldberg about how Pornhub compares to FB and Instagram: I'm a victims rights lawyer. For every 1 case involving a rape tape on Pornhub, I have 50 involving rape and CSAM being disseminated on Insta and FB. Pornhub is far from perfect. But mainstream big tech is far worse and have a built-in mechanism for harassing victims directly. https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973 https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Users who desire to upload content should be forced to provide ID to comply with US law as it relates to age verification of adult talent (2257 Regulation) [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_film_industry_regulations#2257_regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_film_industry_regulation...
- pricechild 6y ago
  Should they also comply with $pick_a_dictatorship_you_find_reprehensible 's laws? Edit: The comment I replied to has been edited and originally explained the owner was Canadian but serves US customers and so should abide by US law. I don't want to claim to agree or disagree, I'm just not sure how to work out what's right.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Yes. You comply with the laws of the jurisdiction you operate in. You have the freedom to not operate where you don't want to obey local law. EDIT: I edited my comment as I'm not willing to argue the merits of cross border law enforcement actions in this thread.
    - 6y ago

anotherman554 6y ago

Did you notice that article is in the opinion section? That implies it's a work of fiction. No fact checking needed.

ardy42 6y ago
> Did you notice that article is in the opinion section? That implies it's a work of fiction. No fact checking needed. That is factually untrue (as I also pointed out in the other sub-thread where you made the same claim): they do fact check their opinion section: The below quote is from a previous NYT Op-ed editor that describes their editorial process. Emphasis is mine. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.htm...: > What happens when your article is accepted? First, you’ll get a contract giving us the right to publish it and laying out some of your responsibilities. The most important ones have to do with originality and truthfulness. You can’t plagiarize yourself, or someone else, and we won’t run something that has appeared in another publication, either print or digital. We request that you disclose anything that might be seen as a conflict of interest, financial or otherwise: Did you invest in a company that you praise in passing? Did you once work with a public official you mention in flattering or critical terms? Could you or an organization or company you represent benefit from the stance you take in an Op-Ed? We need to know. That doesn’t mean we’ll throw out your article on that basis — in most cases it just means disclosing the relationship to the reader. We also need all of the material that supports the facts in your story. That’s the biggest surprise to some people. Yes, we do fact check. Do we do it perfectly? Of course not. Everyone makes mistakes, and when we do we correct them. But the facts in a piece must be supported and validated. You can have any opinion you would like, but you can’t say that a certain battle began on a certain day if it did not.