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Are there any other controversial scenarios that you believe are true, but that require thousands of individuals to secretly plan and execute, and then cover up

Are there any other controversial scenarios that you believe are true, but that require thousands of individuals to secretly plan and execute, and then cover up, and still not have enough evidence to win in court? Offer ten million dollars to one of the "inside" poll workers and get first hand eye witness testimony. Surely one of them even sneakily video taped the wrongdoing so that they could sell video evidence to the highest bidder. Surely at least one of these thousands has a paper trail of communications used to coordinate the scheme. And considering that polling officials are bipartisan, surely a few thousand would be motivated to testify about the corruption! It takes thousands to successfully conspire. It only takes one for it to fail.

svieira 6y ago
The Armenian Genocide comes to mind. You also couldn't prove that Uyghurs are being subject to anything out-of-the-ordinary in Chinese courts right now. I'm not saying that that's what we're dealing with here, but saying that "if bad things were happening everyone would already know" is begging the question, not a convincing argument. Noting that we'd expect odd statistical distributions of votes in the case of fraud is a better one.
- neogodless 6y ago
  > saying that "if bad things were happening everyone would already know" That is not what I said.
prucomaclu 6y ago
The Trump campaign has stated a belief that this was organized from the top down. I am not in agreement with that. I do not think there was some conspiracy from the top to commit fraud. I think the fraud happened at an individual level. As an example, the woman's testimony below that starts at 1:34:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXkAv7yKgw&list=UU8Ioh4atNDO5a0Vy2qFmauQ&ab_channel=NTD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXkAv7yKgw&list=UU8Ioh4atND... This kind of fraud doesn't require any kind of "conspiracy". Her story involved only a couple of individuals, and I don't think they at any point gathered together to conspire to commit fraud. It just happened to occur that way.

svieira 6y ago

The Armenian Genocide comes to mind. You also couldn't prove that Uyghurs are being subject to anything out-of-the-ordinary in Chinese courts right now. I'm not saying that that's what we're dealing with here, but saying that "if bad things were happening everyone would already know" is begging the question, not a convincing argument. Noting that we'd expect odd statistical distributions of votes in the case of fraud is a better one.

neogodless 6y ago
> saying that "if bad things were happening everyone would already know" That is not what I said.

prucomaclu 6y ago

The Trump campaign has stated a belief that this was organized from the top down. I am not in agreement with that. I do not think there was some conspiracy from the top to commit fraud. I think the fraud happened at an individual level. As an example, the woman's testimony below that starts at 1:34:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXkAv7yKgw&list=UU8Ioh4atNDO5a0Vy2qFmauQ&ab_channel=NTD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXkAv7yKgw&list=UU8Ioh4atND... This kind of fraud doesn't require any kind of "conspiracy". Her story involved only a couple of individuals, and I don't think they at any point gathered together to conspire to commit fraud. It just happened to occur that way.