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Coronavirus victims tend to be much older, and generally closer to the natural end of their life. Every day thousands in the same demographic die from cancer an

Coronavirus victims tend to be much older, and generally closer to the natural end of their life. Every day thousands in the same demographic die from cancer and heart disease too.

DanBC 6y ago
In the first wave we saw that covid was taking people on average 12 years before they would have died otherwise, and most of them needed no assistance in their day to day living before they were hospitalised and died. That's not the frail cohort you're making them out to be. And that was only true of the first wave. The second wave is seeing death in younger people.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  I don't know about the US statistics, but the average age of death of coronavirus victims in the UK and Italy was 79. Deliberately not mentioning that amounts to fearmongering, no matter how noble the intentions. I haven't seen any evidence that the infection fatality rate for younger demographics is higher for the second wave. Do you have any raw statistics to back that up?
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  - e12e 6y ago
    Looks like that dovetail pretty well with gp's point - people loose 10 year or so of their expected life span (or a little over one tenth of their time on this earth) - if I put in 79 and male here, I get an average expectancy of 90: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/lifeexpectancycalculator/2019-06-07 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      Yeah, too many people, for some reason, don’t understand that “Life expectancy at age N” is not at all the same, in general, as “Life expectancy at birth minus N”.
    - CryptoPunk 6y ago
      Does that account for the high rates of co-morbidities associated with coronavirus deaths? I remember reading that 99% of Italian victims had co-morbidities. In any case, I wouldn't doubt that the victims had their lives cut short by several years. The same could be said about other illnesses where most fatal cases are among the elderly, e.g. if the typical elderly victim of cancer hadn't contracted it, they would likely have lived for several more years.

Coronavirus victims tend to be much older, and generally closer to the natural end of their life. Every day thousands in the same demographic die from cancer and heart disease too.

DanBC 6y ago

In the first wave we saw that covid was taking people on average 12 years before they would have died otherwise, and most of them needed no assistance in their day to day living before they were hospitalised and died. That's not the frail cohort you're making them out to be. And that was only true of the first wave. The second wave is seeing death in younger people.

CryptoPunk 6y ago
I don't know about the US statistics, but the average age of death of coronavirus victims in the UK and Italy was 79. Deliberately not mentioning that amounts to fearmongering, no matter how noble the intentions. I haven't seen any evidence that the infection fatality rate for younger demographics is higher for the second wave. Do you have any raw statistics to back that up?
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- e12e 6y ago
  Looks like that dovetail pretty well with gp's point - people loose 10 year or so of their expected life span (or a little over one tenth of their time on this earth) - if I put in 79 and male here, I get an average expectancy of 90: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/lifeexpectancycalculator/2019-06-07 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    Yeah, too many people, for some reason, don’t understand that “Life expectancy at age N” is not at all the same, in general, as “Life expectancy at birth minus N”.
  - CryptoPunk 6y ago
    Does that account for the high rates of co-morbidities associated with coronavirus deaths? I remember reading that 99% of Italian victims had co-morbidities. In any case, I wouldn't doubt that the victims had their lives cut short by several years. The same could be said about other illnesses where most fatal cases are among the elderly, e.g. if the typical elderly victim of cancer hadn't contracted it, they would likely have lived for several more years.