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Was there really zero evidence of Russian manipulation?
by andybak 6y ago
Was there really zero evidence of Russian manipulation?
- concordDance 6y agoOf effective Russian manipulation? Yes. Of any real collaboration between Trump and the Russians? Yep. (I means it's not technically zero evidence as there's evidence of most things, including flat eartherism, it's just tiny compared to the counterevidence or even the complexity penalty)
- andybak 6y agoOK. So you think there was attempted manipulation but it had little effect? > Of any real collaboration between Trump and the Russians? (emphasis mine) There seems to be a caveat here. Could you clarify what you think the evidence did show of contact between the two parties? (EDIT - unusual as it is on this topic I am trying to ask genuine questions and test my own assumptions here. I'm hoping I can learn something)
- raxxorrax 6y agoThere was nothing. Would you think a suppression of doubt about the accusation should be removed?
- andybak 6y ago> There was nothing. That wasn't my understanding and that's the reason I'm poking at this a bit. To see if I was mistaken and to what extent. The other replies seem to be confirming my feeling that "nothing" is at the very least an overstatement.
- semigroupoid 6y agoThere is 5 volumes (!) worth of evidence, collected by the (bipartisan) Senate Intelligence Committee, showing that Russia did actively influence the 2016 election. What hasn’t been proven is collusion between Trump and Russia. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-sele...