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Remember the Russian election manipulation? I firmly believe any doubt would have been censored because it didn't align with the narrative for which there was z

Remember the Russian election manipulation? I firmly believe any doubt would have been censored because it didn't align with the narrative for which there was zero evidence in the end. Indeed, this was a false balance as it was political propaganda for a party to safe face and explain defeat. This Wikipedia article is bad and it should be removed as it doesn't do anything to further knowledge and the message of the sources was daringly misinterpreted and would not constitute anything different than the anecdote I mentioned in the first paragraph. The article is hostile to thought, thoroughness and honesty at the same time, that is only topped by the shallow word creation that is "bothsidesism", which should constitute assault if written down in earnest.

andybak 6y ago
Was there really zero evidence of Russian manipulation?
- concordDance 6y ago
  Of effective Russian manipulation? Yes. Of any real collaboration between Trump and the Russians? Yep. (I means it's not technically zero evidence as there's evidence of most things, including flat eartherism, it's just tiny compared to the counterevidence or even the complexity penalty)
  - andybak 6y ago
    OK. So you think there was attempted manipulation but it had little effect? > Of any real collaboration between Trump and the Russians? (emphasis mine) There seems to be a caveat here. Could you clarify what you think the evidence did show of contact between the two parties? (EDIT - unusual as it is on this topic I am trying to ask genuine questions and test my own assumptions here. I'm hoping I can learn something)
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  There was nothing. Would you think a suppression of doubt about the accusation should be removed?
  - andybak 6y ago
    > There was nothing. That wasn't my understanding and that's the reason I'm poking at this a bit. To see if I was mistaken and to what extent. The other replies seem to be confirming my feeling that "nothing" is at the very least an overstatement.
  - semigroupoid 6y ago
    There is 5 volumes (!) worth of evidence, collected by the (bipartisan) Senate Intelligence Committee, showing that Russia did actively influence the 2016 election. What hasn’t been proven is collusion between Trump and Russia. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-sele...

andybak 6y ago

Was there really zero evidence of Russian manipulation?

concordDance 6y ago
Of effective Russian manipulation? Yes. Of any real collaboration between Trump and the Russians? Yep. (I means it's not technically zero evidence as there's evidence of most things, including flat eartherism, it's just tiny compared to the counterevidence or even the complexity penalty)
- andybak 6y ago
  OK. So you think there was attempted manipulation but it had little effect? > Of any real collaboration between Trump and the Russians? (emphasis mine) There seems to be a caveat here. Could you clarify what you think the evidence did show of contact between the two parties? (EDIT - unusual as it is on this topic I am trying to ask genuine questions and test my own assumptions here. I'm hoping I can learn something)
raxxorrax 6y ago
There was nothing. Would you think a suppression of doubt about the accusation should be removed?
- andybak 6y ago
  > There was nothing. That wasn't my understanding and that's the reason I'm poking at this a bit. To see if I was mistaken and to what extent. The other replies seem to be confirming my feeling that "nothing" is at the very least an overstatement.
- semigroupoid 6y ago
  There is 5 volumes (!) worth of evidence, collected by the (bipartisan) Senate Intelligence Committee, showing that Russia did actively influence the 2016 election. What hasn’t been proven is collusion between Trump and Russia. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-sele...