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Didn't we see the shoe on the other foot, roughly, in 2016 with the Russia collusion thing?

by 1958325146 6y ago

Dylan16807 6y ago
No. That was not allegations that the votes themselves were tampered with.
- downandout 6y ago
  Here [1] is a 2016 article from CNN, titled Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results. The articles says that "they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked". Of course no such evidence existed, but it was most certainly among the allegations that Democrats were making in the wake of their loss. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-chal...
  - cjohnson318 6y ago
    Here are examples of Hillary tweeting that the election was rigged multiple times, every day, for over a month. ...
    - rayiner 6y ago
      Here is Hilary accusing Trump of being an “illegitimate” President and that he “knows” he stole the 2016 election: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum... > Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday. Is there a word for someone or something that mirrors your sins back at you, but in a grotesquely amplified manner?
      - pen2l 6y ago
        Hilary's accusation is in some way legitimate though considering that the Mueller report found a foreign nation interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. And then there was the making a mountain out of a molehill of her e-mail server with Comey coming out and publicly reprimanding her for it like a schoolmaster, which undoubtedly affected public perception of how electable she was at a critical time. Of course it's not clear if Hilary would have won if there was no such interference, but her claim is not nearly as far-fetched as all the baseless crazy batshit stuff being thrown around by republicans nowadays.
        rayiner 6y ago
        No. Stop trying to defend this behavior. Leveling the charge that the President is “illegitimate” and “knows he stole” the election is a serious accusation and should be backed by real evidence. Nothing in the Mueller report suggests that Russia swayed a decisive number of votes in an election where the parties spent billions of dollars on marketing and advertising. Democrats’ “blue wall” states swung 15-20 points in Republicans’ favor compared to 2012. Russians didn’t cause that. And the report confirms that Trump himself wasn’t involved with whatever contacts the campaign had with Russia. I’ll grant you that Clinton’s allegations are less “far-fetched” than Trump’s. But that shouldn’t be the standard! We shouldn’t be trying to draw distinctions over claims that are totally made up and ones that are only mostly made up.
        pen2l 6y ago
        There was an uncharted level of animosity in public discourse that election cycle mostly because of Trump, and within the context of all the shit-flinging happening at that time of "locking her up", this accusation being made by a politician on a morning show, while I agree with you it's not entirely going along the spirit of a peaceful transition of power, I rather chalk it up as just a punch back in the political arena. Yes, that she said this was not responsible on her part, but she did call Trump a day or two after the election to concede and congratulate him on his win.
        6y ago
wstuartcl 6y ago
I guess, if you are comparing -- 54 or so election fraud court cases lost, many with republican judges and vote systems run by republicans vs impeachment, fbi report findings that would have been enough to charge any normal citizen and but because a sitting president can't be proscicuted not acted on, what 12-18 of his close circle either pleading or found guilty of charges. Yeah seems close. There is something seriously wrong with the republican party watching the destruction of core values -- I for one will never vote for them again. But I guess folks like me who were life long republicans until Trump are just silly dems. The fact that Trump has the party on a leash is just insane. Republicans watching idly as he actively subverts all norms of transfer of power and millions choosing to grasp at theories that would be espoused by drunkards on city corners 5 or 6 years ago is insane.

Didn't we see the shoe on the other foot, roughly, in 2016 with the Russia collusion thing?

Dylan16807 6y ago

No. That was not allegations that the votes themselves were tampered with.

downandout 6y ago
Here [1] is a 2016 article from CNN, titled Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results. The articles says that "they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked". Of course no such evidence existed, but it was most certainly among the allegations that Democrats were making in the wake of their loss. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-chal...
- cjohnson318 6y ago
  Here are examples of Hillary tweeting that the election was rigged multiple times, every day, for over a month. ...
  - rayiner 6y ago
    Here is Hilary accusing Trump of being an “illegitimate” President and that he “knows” he stole the 2016 election: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum... > Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday. Is there a word for someone or something that mirrors your sins back at you, but in a grotesquely amplified manner?
    - pen2l 6y ago
      Hilary's accusation is in some way legitimate though considering that the Mueller report found a foreign nation interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. And then there was the making a mountain out of a molehill of her e-mail server with Comey coming out and publicly reprimanding her for it like a schoolmaster, which undoubtedly affected public perception of how electable she was at a critical time. Of course it's not clear if Hilary would have won if there was no such interference, but her claim is not nearly as far-fetched as all the baseless crazy batshit stuff being thrown around by republicans nowadays.
      - rayiner 6y ago
        No. Stop trying to defend this behavior. Leveling the charge that the President is “illegitimate” and “knows he stole” the election is a serious accusation and should be backed by real evidence. Nothing in the Mueller report suggests that Russia swayed a decisive number of votes in an election where the parties spent billions of dollars on marketing and advertising. Democrats’ “blue wall” states swung 15-20 points in Republicans’ favor compared to 2012. Russians didn’t cause that. And the report confirms that Trump himself wasn’t involved with whatever contacts the campaign had with Russia. I’ll grant you that Clinton’s allegations are less “far-fetched” than Trump’s. But that shouldn’t be the standard! We shouldn’t be trying to draw distinctions over claims that are totally made up and ones that are only mostly made up.
        pen2l 6y ago
        There was an uncharted level of animosity in public discourse that election cycle mostly because of Trump, and within the context of all the shit-flinging happening at that time of "locking her up", this accusation being made by a politician on a morning show, while I agree with you it's not entirely going along the spirit of a peaceful transition of power, I rather chalk it up as just a punch back in the political arena. Yes, that she said this was not responsible on her part, but she did call Trump a day or two after the election to concede and congratulate him on his win.
        6y ago

wstuartcl 6y ago

I guess, if you are comparing -- 54 or so election fraud court cases lost, many with republican judges and vote systems run by republicans vs impeachment, fbi report findings that would have been enough to charge any normal citizen and but because a sitting president can't be proscicuted not acted on, what 12-18 of his close circle either pleading or found guilty of charges. Yeah seems close. There is something seriously wrong with the republican party watching the destruction of core values -- I for one will never vote for them again. But I guess folks like me who were life long republicans until Trump are just silly dems. The fact that Trump has the party on a leash is just insane. Republicans watching idly as he actively subverts all norms of transfer of power and millions choosing to grasp at theories that would be espoused by drunkards on city corners 5 or 6 years ago is insane.