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It's not clear exactly what point you're trying to make here.

by 99_00 6y ago

Daishiman 6y ago
The point is very clear. But let me clarify it: there was an effort by state actors to manipulate and aid a specific party in a way that is fully illegal.
- 99_00 6y ago
  The Trump campaign did not coordinated or conspire with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.
  - onli 6y ago
    It very likely did. The Muller report showed that it did, at least in all likelihood and given the evidence available. The report just stopped short of taking the next step, calling it proven and going forward with whatever the next step would have been. It did so because of the very high bar Muller set himself given that the accused was the sitting president, that the DoJ under Barr claimed wrongly that the president is immune (=he were a king), and that he wanted the democratic system to act on the findings in the report.
    - 99_00 6y ago
      >Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
      - onli 6y ago
        Sufficient for X. That's the point I made. That does not mean that the report said it did not happen. Read about the non-redacted version!
      - nl 6y ago
        The (more recent) Republican Led Senate Intelligence Committee did find significant co-ordination - at best unwitting To quote The Intercept: In fact, the Senate report dismisses many of the most outrageous accusations involving Trump and Russia even as it provides overwhelming and damning evidence of Russia’s efforts to intervene in the 2016 presidential election to help Trump win and the Trump campaign’s eagerness to embrace the Russian intervention. But the Senate report goes much further than election interference and provides the first detailed examination of the broader and complex network of relationships between Trump, his ever-shifting circle of personal and business associates, and a series of Russian oligarchs and other Russian and Ukrainian figures with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. https://theintercept.com/2020/09/03/trump-russia-senate-report-mueller/ https://theintercept.com/2020/09/03/trump-russia-senate-repo... Read the report yourself: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...
        99_00 6y ago
        > it provides overwhelming and damning evidence of Russia’s efforts to intervene in the 2016 presidential election to help Trump win and the Trump campaign’s eagerness to embrace the Russian intervention. This in no way suggests coordination. What exactly is unwitting coordination?
        nl 6y ago
        > What exactly is unwitting coordination? They were being used by Russian agents without being aware of it.

It's not clear exactly what point you're trying to make here.

by 99_00 6y ago

It's not clear exactly what point you're trying to make here.

The point is very clear. But let me clarify it: there was an effort by state actors to manipulate and aid a specific party in a way that is fully illegal.

99_00 6y ago
The Trump campaign did not coordinated or conspire with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.
- onli 6y ago
  It very likely did. The Muller report showed that it did, at least in all likelihood and given the evidence available. The report just stopped short of taking the next step, calling it proven and going forward with whatever the next step would have been. It did so because of the very high bar Muller set himself given that the accused was the sitting president, that the DoJ under Barr claimed wrongly that the president is immune (=he were a king), and that he wanted the democratic system to act on the findings in the report.
  - 99_00 6y ago
    >Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
    - onli 6y ago
      Sufficient for X. That's the point I made. That does not mean that the report said it did not happen. Read about the non-redacted version!
    - nl 6y ago
      The (more recent) Republican Led Senate Intelligence Committee did find significant co-ordination - at best unwitting To quote The Intercept: In fact, the Senate report dismisses many of the most outrageous accusations involving Trump and Russia even as it provides overwhelming and damning evidence of Russia’s efforts to intervene in the 2016 presidential election to help Trump win and the Trump campaign’s eagerness to embrace the Russian intervention. But the Senate report goes much further than election interference and provides the first detailed examination of the broader and complex network of relationships between Trump, his ever-shifting circle of personal and business associates, and a series of Russian oligarchs and other Russian and Ukrainian figures with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. https://theintercept.com/2020/09/03/trump-russia-senate-report-mueller/ https://theintercept.com/2020/09/03/trump-russia-senate-repo... Read the report yourself: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...
      - 99_00 6y ago
        > it provides overwhelming and damning evidence of Russia’s efforts to intervene in the 2016 presidential election to help Trump win and the Trump campaign’s eagerness to embrace the Russian intervention. This in no way suggests coordination. What exactly is unwitting coordination?
        nl 6y ago
        > What exactly is unwitting coordination? They were being used by Russian agents without being aware of it.