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Impressive, a throwaway account that uses the very controversial summary that Barr wrote quickly before the report was released and without Mueller's re-reading

Impressive, a throwaway account that uses the very controversial summary that Barr wrote quickly before the report was released and without Mueller's re-reading. Here's the follow up from NPR where Mueller later distanced himself from this obviously misleading summary: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718883130/mueller-complained-that-barr-summary-of-trump-russia-probe-lacked-context https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718883130/mueller-complained-...

dleslie 6y ago
There's at least two accounts trying to conflate the Mueller investigation with the Senate Committee. It's kind of amazing how ... clearly identical their arguments are.
- alwayseasy 6y ago
  Yeah. In a thread where the debate is about "people being able to form their opinions on their own" it seems like they really like to depend on spoon-fed talking points.
  - tha0xa1 6y ago
    > In a thread where the debate is about "people being able to form their opinions on their own" it seems like they really like to depend on spoon-fed talking points. This belongs at the top of /r/selfawarewolves
    - alwayseasy 6y ago
      Glad you created an account for this contribution.
throwaway56098 6y ago
>Impressive, a throwaway account that uses the very controversial summary that Barr Or use the latest findings from the lead on the Senate Intel report: https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=15CD9A7F-66B5-4700-9545-6974E593EA32 https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases... “We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election." Unfortunately it has to be a throwaway because these kinds of facts might as well be thought crimes here.
- alwayseasy 6y ago
  Once again, you're not linking to a source document that explicitly presents evidence. In fact there are clearly more than a hundred pages about Trump and Russians engaging in activity around the 2016 campaign. You link to a partisan Senator who, by the way contributed to the Donald Trump campaign, says he found no-evidence. The thought crime here is leaning into the weasel-word of "collusion" when it isn't clearly defined by Rubio or even the report or "Russian government" to cop out of the deep involvement of ex-spies and oligarchs out of Russia. Source: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...
  - throwaway56098 6y ago
    >Once again, you're not linking to a source document that explicitly presents evidence. This is the exact document that Rubio is referencing in his press release I linked above. The evidence presented explicitly presents no evidence of Trump colluding. >You link to a partisan Senator Rubio was the head chair of the investigation, not some random senator. >The thought crime here is leaning into the weasel-word of "collusion" when it isn't clearly defined by Rubio Facts and legal definitions are not "weasel-words". Your linked source just proves the following statement: "We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election." You can continue to believe fake news, but that doesn't make it reality.
    - alwayseasy 6y ago
      Collusion in the context of election campaigns has no legal definition. If I'm the one who believes in fake news I wonder why you're the one sourcing your beliefs from controversial and disavowed summaries and partisan actors.
      - tha0xa1 6y ago
        >I wonder why you're the one sourcing your beliefs from controversial and disavowed summaries and partisan actors. NPR, official press releases from the chairs of senate intelligence committees, etc. have not been disavowed and the facts agree with me. Again, if you stop believing fake news and actually read what has been linked above, you will find that: “Over the last three years, the Senate Intelligence Committee conducted a bipartisan and thorough investigation into Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election and undermine our democracy. We interviewed over 200 witnesses and reviewed over one million pages of documents. No probe into this matter has been more exhaustive." “We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election."

dleslie 6y ago

There's at least two accounts trying to conflate the Mueller investigation with the Senate Committee. It's kind of amazing how ... clearly identical their arguments are.

alwayseasy 6y ago
Yeah. In a thread where the debate is about "people being able to form their opinions on their own" it seems like they really like to depend on spoon-fed talking points.
- tha0xa1 6y ago
  > In a thread where the debate is about "people being able to form their opinions on their own" it seems like they really like to depend on spoon-fed talking points. This belongs at the top of /r/selfawarewolves
  - alwayseasy 6y ago
    Glad you created an account for this contribution.

throwaway56098 6y ago

>Impressive, a throwaway account that uses the very controversial summary that Barr Or use the latest findings from the lead on the Senate Intel report: https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=15CD9A7F-66B5-4700-9545-6974E593EA32 https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases... “We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election." Unfortunately it has to be a throwaway because these kinds of facts might as well be thought crimes here.

alwayseasy 6y ago
Once again, you're not linking to a source document that explicitly presents evidence. In fact there are clearly more than a hundred pages about Trump and Russians engaging in activity around the 2016 campaign. You link to a partisan Senator who, by the way contributed to the Donald Trump campaign, says he found no-evidence. The thought crime here is leaning into the weasel-word of "collusion" when it isn't clearly defined by Rubio or even the report or "Russian government" to cop out of the deep involvement of ex-spies and oligarchs out of Russia. Source: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...
- throwaway56098 6y ago
  >Once again, you're not linking to a source document that explicitly presents evidence. This is the exact document that Rubio is referencing in his press release I linked above. The evidence presented explicitly presents no evidence of Trump colluding. >You link to a partisan Senator Rubio was the head chair of the investigation, not some random senator. >The thought crime here is leaning into the weasel-word of "collusion" when it isn't clearly defined by Rubio Facts and legal definitions are not "weasel-words". Your linked source just proves the following statement: "We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election." You can continue to believe fake news, but that doesn't make it reality.
  - alwayseasy 6y ago
    Collusion in the context of election campaigns has no legal definition. If I'm the one who believes in fake news I wonder why you're the one sourcing your beliefs from controversial and disavowed summaries and partisan actors.
    - tha0xa1 6y ago
      >I wonder why you're the one sourcing your beliefs from controversial and disavowed summaries and partisan actors. NPR, official press releases from the chairs of senate intelligence committees, etc. have not been disavowed and the facts agree with me. Again, if you stop believing fake news and actually read what has been linked above, you will find that: “Over the last three years, the Senate Intelligence Committee conducted a bipartisan and thorough investigation into Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election and undermine our democracy. We interviewed over 200 witnesses and reviewed over one million pages of documents. No probe into this matter has been more exhaustive." “We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election."