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So, I suppose CentOS is dead. As others have stated, another group will have to step up and create another CentOS, or just switch to Debian Testing.

kijin 6y ago
Official CentOS/RHEL is more like Debian Stable. The new CentOS "Stream" sounds like it will be more like Debian Testing.
- thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
  Exactly. As stated in https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innova... (linked from the article): "CentOS Stream now sits between the Fedora Project’s operating system innovation and RHEL’s production stability" So if we compare to Debian, this means: Fedora <=> Debian unstable (Sid) CentOS Stream <=> Debian testing (currently Bullseye) RHEL <=> Debian stable (currently Buster)
  - the_why_of_y 6y ago
    There is no real equivalent to CentOS Stream in Debian's release model. Perhaps the closest is "the DAK upload queue for Debian stable", but that tends to contain mostly security updates, and according to other posts in this thread that is the one case where CentOS Stream is not an upstream of RHEL. CentOS Stream contains feature backports, which generally don't happen in Debian stable, but it's only very specific backports, not every package gets updated like in Debian testing. I'd put it like: Fedora rawhide <=> Debian unstable Fedora <=> Debian testing CentOS Stream <=> DAK upload queue for Debian stable RHEL <=> Debian stable
- linuxftw 6y ago
  Debian Stable might be more analogous to CentOS, but they don't do major feature backports like RHEL does, so I find stable is often much too old by the time it's actually released.
  - marcosdumay 6y ago
    Take a look in buster-updates (or any X-updates for older ones). I guess there are only so many ways to organize a distro.
  - kijin 6y ago
    On the other hand, CentOS systems tend to last much longer due to the 10-year support cycle. So I often encounter wild specimens that are even older than Debian oldstable. Right now, I've got a bunch of CentOS 6 servers with 2.6.32 kernels that are freshly out of support this month. I was hoping to replace them with 8, but now I'll probably have to settle for 7. At least I can take consolation in the fact that I haven't been called in to troubleshoot any CentOS 5 servers lately.
  - pmlnr 6y ago
    There's always a backports repository for the stable release in Debian: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free

kijin 6y ago

Official CentOS/RHEL is more like Debian Stable. The new CentOS "Stream" sounds like it will be more like Debian Testing.

thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
Exactly. As stated in https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innova... (linked from the article): "CentOS Stream now sits between the Fedora Project’s operating system innovation and RHEL’s production stability" So if we compare to Debian, this means: Fedora <=> Debian unstable (Sid) CentOS Stream <=> Debian testing (currently Bullseye) RHEL <=> Debian stable (currently Buster)
- the_why_of_y 6y ago
  There is no real equivalent to CentOS Stream in Debian's release model. Perhaps the closest is "the DAK upload queue for Debian stable", but that tends to contain mostly security updates, and according to other posts in this thread that is the one case where CentOS Stream is not an upstream of RHEL. CentOS Stream contains feature backports, which generally don't happen in Debian stable, but it's only very specific backports, not every package gets updated like in Debian testing. I'd put it like: Fedora rawhide <=> Debian unstable Fedora <=> Debian testing CentOS Stream <=> DAK upload queue for Debian stable RHEL <=> Debian stable
linuxftw 6y ago
Debian Stable might be more analogous to CentOS, but they don't do major feature backports like RHEL does, so I find stable is often much too old by the time it's actually released.
- marcosdumay 6y ago
  Take a look in buster-updates (or any X-updates for older ones). I guess there are only so many ways to organize a distro.
- kijin 6y ago
  On the other hand, CentOS systems tend to last much longer due to the 10-year support cycle. So I often encounter wild specimens that are even older than Debian oldstable. Right now, I've got a bunch of CentOS 6 servers with 2.6.32 kernels that are freshly out of support this month. I was hoping to replace them with 8, but now I'll probably have to settle for 7. At least I can take consolation in the fact that I haven't been called in to troubleshoot any CentOS 5 servers lately.
- pmlnr 6y ago
  There's always a backports repository for the stable release in Debian: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free