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I remember being in Anson, when it was reported a Korean Ferry going to Jeju hit a rock and started taking on water. The captain reported on the radio," everyon

I remember being in Anson, when it was reported a Korean Ferry going to Jeju hit a rock and started taking on water. The captain reported on the radio," everyone stay put." and for the most part they did, even while the captain was escaping the ship. 299 people drowned that day, many of them the local school in Anson. I remember walking past the highschool that very night and seeing the crowd of the bereaved. If more of those people chose to disobey a very strange order on a ship, more would have lived. It's important to know when a situation has really become an emergency and normal rules like, "listen to the captain even if he doesn't make sense" stop applying. The earlier you are able to recognise that shit has hit the fan and enter emergency rule breaking mode the better. In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Don't be a deer caught in the spotlight, forge your own path and take these things seriously your life may depend on it (even if its 1% chance that that alarm is a real one). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Sewol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Sewol

cyberlurker 6y ago
I’m glad you brought it up but you are doing a great disservice to this tragedy by saying the ferry simply hit a rock. It was criminally overloaded. There were payoffs for inspections. The CEO had connections to the president and was found dead in a field. There is a lot more to it. And yes the kids stayed inside the ship, following orders until it was far too late. It still makes me sick.
- JimTheMan 6y ago
  The link has all the detail in it. I probably should have reviewed, but I am remembering details from the day it happened years ago. For the purposes of keeping the lesson brief, I feel justified. If I remember correctly, he also tried took a shortcut too because he was running late...
tomc1985 6y ago
I saw cellphone videos taken inside the ship when this happened. The kids were highspirited and jovial for the circumstances. It was really creepy to watch
dividuum 6y ago
> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Sounds like the normalcy bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias
nucleardog 6y ago
> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Don't be a deer caught in the spotlight, forge your own path and take these things seriously your life may depend on it (even if its 1% chance that that alarm is a real one). Problem with things like fire alarms is they go off _so_ often, yet are almost never a true alarm. In my experience, it's not even 1%. I've heard fire alarms tested monthly or quarterly for years. My own smoke detector at home used to go off regularly. I've heard literally hundred of "THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE EVACUATE OH SHIT" alarms, and never once seen even a small fire. Well, that's a lie, I lit a reasonably-sized oil fire on my stove top one day (left some good scorch marks on the ceiling and stuff). No alarm went off. Hell, one time the small apartment building I lived in had the building-wide alarm go off which did convince everyone to vacate--probably because it had never gone off before. I ran a roll-call out on the front lawn and accounted for every unit and had every single person reporting that there was no fire in their unit. The only common areas were the hallways people'd just exited through. The fire department cleared it in about two minutes and told us we could re-enter with the alarms blaring. I'd be surprised to find someone that, through school fire drills, random smoke detectors, testing and malfunctioning of building alarms, etc have not been totally desensitized to these alerts. If you get an alert every day from your intrusion detection system saying "SOMEONE'S IN YOUR NETWORK STEALING YOUR FILES!" and never once find that to be the case, eventually you're going to start ignoring the alerts. That said, yes -- if I smell smoke/see fire, if I'm on a boat and water is coming up around my ankles, I'm not gonna just sit there and die because someone says it's okay.
- johnmaguire2013 6y ago
  Is there a better alternative?
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    The effectiveness of any information source is only as good as its signal to noise ratio. Given a bad S/N, the alarm system is simply not effective. Reduce the noise.
hef19898 6y ago
This is such a disaster on so many levels. I would say it is the exception that proofs the rule. Counter would be that cruise ship that sank near Italy where most people were only 32 out of 3,250 people died. And everyone should listen to the Captain, be it a plane or a ship. Especially in emergency situations.

cyberlurker 6y ago

I’m glad you brought it up but you are doing a great disservice to this tragedy by saying the ferry simply hit a rock. It was criminally overloaded. There were payoffs for inspections. The CEO had connections to the president and was found dead in a field. There is a lot more to it. And yes the kids stayed inside the ship, following orders until it was far too late. It still makes me sick.

JimTheMan 6y ago
The link has all the detail in it. I probably should have reviewed, but I am remembering details from the day it happened years ago. For the purposes of keeping the lesson brief, I feel justified. If I remember correctly, he also tried took a shortcut too because he was running late...

tomc1985 6y ago

I saw cellphone videos taken inside the ship when this happened. The kids were highspirited and jovial for the circumstances. It was really creepy to watch

dividuum 6y ago

> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Sounds like the normalcy bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

nucleardog 6y ago

> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Don't be a deer caught in the spotlight, forge your own path and take these things seriously your life may depend on it (even if its 1% chance that that alarm is a real one). Problem with things like fire alarms is they go off _so_ often, yet are almost never a true alarm. In my experience, it's not even 1%. I've heard fire alarms tested monthly or quarterly for years. My own smoke detector at home used to go off regularly. I've heard literally hundred of "THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE EVACUATE OH SHIT" alarms, and never once seen even a small fire. Well, that's a lie, I lit a reasonably-sized oil fire on my stove top one day (left some good scorch marks on the ceiling and stuff). No alarm went off. Hell, one time the small apartment building I lived in had the building-wide alarm go off which did convince everyone to vacate--probably because it had never gone off before. I ran a roll-call out on the front lawn and accounted for every unit and had every single person reporting that there was no fire in their unit. The only common areas were the hallways people'd just exited through. The fire department cleared it in about two minutes and told us we could re-enter with the alarms blaring. I'd be surprised to find someone that, through school fire drills, random smoke detectors, testing and malfunctioning of building alarms, etc have not been totally desensitized to these alerts. If you get an alert every day from your intrusion detection system saying "SOMEONE'S IN YOUR NETWORK STEALING YOUR FILES!" and never once find that to be the case, eventually you're going to start ignoring the alerts. That said, yes -- if I smell smoke/see fire, if I'm on a boat and water is coming up around my ankles, I'm not gonna just sit there and die because someone says it's okay.

johnmaguire2013 6y ago
Is there a better alternative?
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  The effectiveness of any information source is only as good as its signal to noise ratio. Given a bad S/N, the alarm system is simply not effective. Reduce the noise.

hef19898 6y ago

This is such a disaster on so many levels. I would say it is the exception that proofs the rule. Counter would be that cruise ship that sank near Italy where most people were only 32 out of 3,250 people died. And everyone should listen to the Captain, be it a plane or a ship. Especially in emergency situations.