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Only a few weeks ago they wrote a letter (https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement) that said "Open source accoun

Only a few weeks ago they wrote a letter (https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement) that said "Open source accounts, as always, will be completely free under travis-ci.com." Their home page at travis-ci.com still says: > Testing your open source projects is always 100% free! > Seriously. Always. We like to think of it as our way of giving back to a community that gives us so much as well. That is simply not what's going on. As far as anyone can tell, they are offering some OSS which meet specific criteria (including no company funds any part of it, including paying people to work on it(?!)) free minutes in fixed monthly allotments, which you have to keep asking for every month. And there are only so many total minutes they are willing to give out, which apparently have now been frozen. How can they have written a letter only two weeks ago saying "Open source accounts, as always, will be completely free under travis-ci.com"? How can their home page still say "Testing your open source projects is always 100% free!"?? At this point, it is hard to explain it as anything other than intentional manipulative dishonesty. I don't understand why they don't just say "Yes, we can no longer provide free open source accounts." They aren't actually fooling anyone, I mean people notice that they don't have free accounts anymore, right? It is a weird attempt at some kind of reality distortion. I guess you could try replying: "Credit allocation"? I don't understand, Paul Gordon wrote on Nov 24 "Open source accounts, as always, will be completely free under travis-ci.com." Is this not true? I'm kinda curious what they'd say, but I guess it's just torturing poor support staff whose jobs probably aren't going to last either.

TAForObvReasons 6y ago
"including no company funds any part of it, including paying people to work on it(?!)" JetBrains open source licenses have a similar restriction https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ > Your project is NOT sponsored by a commercial company or organization and does NOT have paid employees > Your project does NOT provide commercial services (such as consulting or training) around the software, and does NOT distribute paid versions of the software
- musicale 6y ago
  > Your project is NOT sponsored by a commercial company or organization and does NOT have paid employees > Your project does NOT provide commercial services (such as consulting or training) around the software, and does NOT distribute paid versions of the software Jetbrains should really take it to the next level and require all developers on your open source project to provide up-to-date proof of unemployment benefits.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    I think you’re misunderstanding - you can have a job just the project you use JetBrains products for can’t be your job or anyone’s job.
    - klyrs 6y ago
      FYI, you're replying to sarcasm.
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    Seriously. Better better be careful about whose pull requests you accept.
- jrochkind1 6y ago
  I have worked on many many open source projects. I don't think I have ever worked on any where there wasn't a single person writing code while getting paid by their employer. Is that enough to disqualify you from JetBrains criteria, do you think? In email from travis support it was expressed as: > Project must not be sponsored by a commercial company or organization (monetary or with employees paid to work on the project) To me, that seems to say if someone commits code while on the clock, that is employees paid to work on the project. That definitely disqualifies a huge number of open source projects, probably the majority, right?
  - p1necone 6y ago
    I agree. Any open source project that's reasonably widely used is going to have some team from some commercial company submit a PR to fix some issue they're having at some point.
daenz 6y ago
>intentional manipulative dishonesty I think it is more likely that there is intense internal conflict around this decision, and some people may be openly reaffirming their beliefs in the mission of TravisCI.
- cwyers 6y ago
  What mission? It's a CI/CD platform. I think the far more likely explanation is that updating the websites was very low on the priority list of the people who made this decision.
  - daenz 6y ago
    It wasn't just a "website update", it was also a blog post by Paul Gordon, their Product Marketing Manager, about their enduring OSS support. Also, he outlines part of their mission in the post, if you're curious. 0. https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement
- dis-sys 6y ago
  any proof on your claim? it is dishonesty at best
Uehreka 6y ago
I wonder how many people start out making pledges like that because they wish other companies would and they want to be the change they wish to see in the world. And they don’t realize that taking investor money means you no longer have the power to keep your promises even if you want to because you’re promising with other people’s money.
- rpdillon 6y ago
  My previous company was on Travis, and as soon as I saw that Travis was purchased by private equity, I knew the downward spiral had begun and I recommended we move to something else. Not surprised that this is happening a couple of years later...my understanding is that private equity will tend towards slowing/stopping development after acquisition to cut costs/headcount, and then squeeze the remaining value from what's left, so this is in-line with that playbook.
  - neves 6y ago
    Are there any evidence of private equity providing benefits for society? Sometimes it looks like they have a inverse Midas hand, everything they touch putrefy.
    - gvhst 6y ago
      In the old days they provided growth equity to businesses that generally wouldn't have access to that capital. Now I'd say your observations are pretty much accurate.
    - tingletech 6y ago
      my state run pension invests in private equity funds to diversify the portfolio
    - smabie 6y ago
      Like everything else in finance, they do good by making their investors money. These investors then can use the money for fulfilling their purpose/charter/business plan. For example, a school could use its endowment to give out scholarships, a pension fund pays out retirees, etc etc.
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TAForObvReasons 6y ago

"including no company funds any part of it, including paying people to work on it(?!)" JetBrains open source licenses have a similar restriction https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ > Your project is NOT sponsored by a commercial company or organization and does NOT have paid employees > Your project does NOT provide commercial services (such as consulting or training) around the software, and does NOT distribute paid versions of the software

musicale 6y ago
> Your project is NOT sponsored by a commercial company or organization and does NOT have paid employees > Your project does NOT provide commercial services (such as consulting or training) around the software, and does NOT distribute paid versions of the software Jetbrains should really take it to the next level and require all developers on your open source project to provide up-to-date proof of unemployment benefits.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  I think you’re misunderstanding - you can have a job just the project you use JetBrains products for can’t be your job or anyone’s job.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    FYI, you're replying to sarcasm.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Seriously. Better better be careful about whose pull requests you accept.
jrochkind1 6y ago
I have worked on many many open source projects. I don't think I have ever worked on any where there wasn't a single person writing code while getting paid by their employer. Is that enough to disqualify you from JetBrains criteria, do you think? In email from travis support it was expressed as: > Project must not be sponsored by a commercial company or organization (monetary or with employees paid to work on the project) To me, that seems to say if someone commits code while on the clock, that is employees paid to work on the project. That definitely disqualifies a huge number of open source projects, probably the majority, right?
- p1necone 6y ago
  I agree. Any open source project that's reasonably widely used is going to have some team from some commercial company submit a PR to fix some issue they're having at some point.

daenz 6y ago

>intentional manipulative dishonesty I think it is more likely that there is intense internal conflict around this decision, and some people may be openly reaffirming their beliefs in the mission of TravisCI.

cwyers 6y ago
What mission? It's a CI/CD platform. I think the far more likely explanation is that updating the websites was very low on the priority list of the people who made this decision.
- daenz 6y ago
  It wasn't just a "website update", it was also a blog post by Paul Gordon, their Product Marketing Manager, about their enduring OSS support. Also, he outlines part of their mission in the post, if you're curious. 0. https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement
dis-sys 6y ago
any proof on your claim? it is dishonesty at best

Uehreka 6y ago

I wonder how many people start out making pledges like that because they wish other companies would and they want to be the change they wish to see in the world. And they don’t realize that taking investor money means you no longer have the power to keep your promises even if you want to because you’re promising with other people’s money.

rpdillon 6y ago
My previous company was on Travis, and as soon as I saw that Travis was purchased by private equity, I knew the downward spiral had begun and I recommended we move to something else. Not surprised that this is happening a couple of years later...my understanding is that private equity will tend towards slowing/stopping development after acquisition to cut costs/headcount, and then squeeze the remaining value from what's left, so this is in-line with that playbook.
- neves 6y ago
  Are there any evidence of private equity providing benefits for society? Sometimes it looks like they have a inverse Midas hand, everything they touch putrefy.
  - gvhst 6y ago
    In the old days they provided growth equity to businesses that generally wouldn't have access to that capital. Now I'd say your observations are pretty much accurate.
  - tingletech 6y ago
    my state run pension invests in private equity funds to diversify the portfolio
  - smabie 6y ago
    Like everything else in finance, they do good by making their investors money. These investors then can use the money for fulfilling their purpose/charter/business plan. For example, a school could use its endowment to give out scholarships, a pension fund pays out retirees, etc etc.

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