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Because she is was an ethicist in google, an AI company. People are very afraid that google fired her because they don't care about bias and unethical use in AI

Because she is was an ethicist in google, an AI company. People are very afraid that google fired her because they don't care about bias and unethical use in AI. So, for us that care about google's use of AI and ethical use of it, it's important to understand what happened.

kd913 6y ago
Then surely the article focus should be described and focused on precisely the issues raised in the controversial paper no? > She tweeted Wednesday that Google had abruptly fired her after a disagreement about a research paper that scrutinized possible bias in large-language AI models, which the company asked her to retract. The article should be focusing on the disagreement here. Instead the article focuses on employment which I don't care about.
mlthoughts2018 6y ago
> “ People are very afraid that google fired her because they don't care about bias and unethical use in AI.” I have not heard anyone express this fear, certainly not in the AI community. I have not seen any part of the Timnit Gebru incident that paints Google in a bad light or corroborates any type of inconsistency or unfair judgment. Google has done plenty of that stuff in other situations, just not in any part of the handling of Timnit Gebru’s very inappropriate behavior.
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
This is not logical at all and seems either completely hysterical or deliberately malicious. If Google fires a janitor, does that mean they don’t care about a clean work environment? If they fire a VP of engineering, does that mean they don’t care about engineering? No, it means that person didn’t work out. And considering how she is handling it by going nuclear with the press and the twitter mobbing, I for one am not the least bit surprised.
raxxorrax 6y ago
The main ethical problem of AI is it quantifying every possible metric that can be attached to individuals and resulting reduction of said subject. Talk about bias, which is mostly inevitable, is a cheap distraction at best, even though AIs will mostly be stereotype generators in the beginning. It still isn't even good or foundational criticism about ethical AI programs. That said, I don't believe that decisions about application of AI can be made internally at Google. These are basically PR jobs that come with the product.

kd913 6y ago

Then surely the article focus should be described and focused on precisely the issues raised in the controversial paper no? > She tweeted Wednesday that Google had abruptly fired her after a disagreement about a research paper that scrutinized possible bias in large-language AI models, which the company asked her to retract. The article should be focusing on the disagreement here. Instead the article focuses on employment which I don't care about.

mlthoughts2018 6y ago

> “ People are very afraid that google fired her because they don't care about bias and unethical use in AI.” I have not heard anyone express this fear, certainly not in the AI community. I have not seen any part of the Timnit Gebru incident that paints Google in a bad light or corroborates any type of inconsistency or unfair judgment. Google has done plenty of that stuff in other situations, just not in any part of the handling of Timnit Gebru’s very inappropriate behavior.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

This is not logical at all and seems either completely hysterical or deliberately malicious. If Google fires a janitor, does that mean they don’t care about a clean work environment? If they fire a VP of engineering, does that mean they don’t care about engineering? No, it means that person didn’t work out. And considering how she is handling it by going nuclear with the press and the twitter mobbing, I for one am not the least bit surprised.

raxxorrax 6y ago

The main ethical problem of AI is it quantifying every possible metric that can be attached to individuals and resulting reduction of said subject. Talk about bias, which is mostly inevitable, is a cheap distraction at best, even though AIs will mostly be stereotype generators in the beginning. It still isn't even good or foundational criticism about ethical AI programs. That said, I don't believe that decisions about application of AI can be made internally at Google. These are basically PR jobs that come with the product.