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The article seems to be poorly informed. > Those graphics chips would be several times faster than the current graphics modules Apple uses from Nvidia and AMD
by lnsp 6y ago
The article seems to be poorly informed.
> Those graphics chips would be several times faster than the current graphics modules Apple uses from Nvidia and AMD in its Intel-powered hardware.
I don't even remember the last Apple hardware with Nvidia graphics.
> Advanced Micro Devices Inc., which has been gaining market share at Intel’s expense, offers standard desktop parts with as many as 16 cores, with some of its high-end chips for gaming PCs going as high as 64 cores.
Threadripper is NOT a CPU for gaming.
> Company tests faster performing processors than Intel’s best.
Well if I'm correct AMD currently sits on top of the CPU ranking (and Intel 11th gen doesn't seem to be changing that as far as the leaks go), so AMD is the one to beat.
> Apple Preps Next Mac Chips With Aim to Outclass Highest-End PCs
Weird conclusion to draw considering the statements above. I would expect the performance to be on-par with the high end chips, but with lower energy consumption. The article seems to imply that it will outperform 280W+ CPUs.
- Traster 6y agoI agree this article is sloppily written, Gurman has a strong track record of having the inside scoop on Apple's plans. Essentially all this article is really saying is "Expect Apple to release a half-size mac pro in 2022 as the last, most powerful new product". That's it. There's no clue about discrete graphics, NUMA, power budgets etc. It could be that that new mac pro is heading back towards the non-expandable trash-can style design. All they really know is that there's going to be something in the mac pro space in 2022 and that's the last direct replacement to Intel Macs Apple are making.
- ogre_codes 6y ago> "Expect Apple to release a half-size mac pro in 2022 as the last, most powerful new product" Even this piece of info can be extrapolated from statement's Apple has made public. They've said they were migrating their entire product line within 2 years. The Mac Pro is part of that product line. The only questions are how Apple is going to get there and on that front it's pretty clear this article is pure speculation. Will the Mac Pro have integrated graphics or a discrete GPU? Maybe someone at AMD knows this based on order volume? Likewise, are they using external RAM, soldered on the logic board, or user-serviceable RAM? How is performance going to compare to current top end processors? Those are the only questions, and the answers here are pure speculation. It's likely only a handful of people at Apple even know the answers to these things.
- masklinn 6y ago> I don't even remember the last Apple hardware with Nvidia graphics. All of the retina generation but for the very latest (« mid 2015 »).
- TwoNineA 6y ago> Threadripper is NOT a CPU for gaming. I run two gaming VMs for my kids on my Threadripper server.
- hu3 6y agoI'd love to setup gaming VMs like that on a powerful server. Do you have a link on how to setup something like that?
- TwoNineA 6y agohttps://mathiashueber.com/pci-passthrough-ubuntu-2004-virtual-machine/ https://mathiashueber.com/pci-passthrough-ubuntu-2004-virtua... I use NVidia video cards for VMs, AMD cards (other than BigNavi) have VM reboot issues.
- MegaDeKay 6y agoSubstantial progress on the AMD reset issue has been made recently. Many cards now reset properly and progress continues on those that aren't. No custom kernel required either. https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/jturbd/vendorreset_new_project_to_help_amd_users_vfio/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/jturbd/vendorreset_ne...
- TwoNineA 6y agoI got really burned by AMD GPUs, had a 5700 XT for myself and rx 580 and 570 for my kids. None of them reset properly, had to build special kernel, and even sometimes then they just froze the host. Sold them all, got NVidia cards, never had issues since (7+ months).
- simonh 6y agoI don't think that fact that Threadripper is capable of running games makes it a "chip for gaming PCs", at least if that term is going to mean anything useful.
- numlock86 6y ago
- auggierose 6y agoGiven that the (serial) compute task (only CPU/RAM) that I started before I went shopping finished in 4073 seconds on my iMac Pro, and in 2648 seconds on my Mac mini, the conclusion is not that weird (even if it is not much of a conclusion).
- klelatti 6y agoInteresting. What are the iMac Pro specs?
- auggierose 6y agoIt's the 18-core one.
- klelatti 6y agoThanks - and wow!
- em500 6y agoDepending on the workload, that's not as impressive as it sounds at first. Single threaded M1 performance is around 50-60% better than the 18-core Xeon in the iMac (which is impressive). But high-core CPUs are typically slower per core. I have plenty of programs that run faster on my dual core laptop than on the 16 and 24 core Xeon servers at work.
- dannyw 6y agoYou are quibbing over the details. The information the journalist has is "Apple Preps Next Mac Chips With Aim to Outclass Highest-End PCs"; perhaps he was told that by a highly reliable source in the Apple Silicon team. The rest is just him trying to make a long enough article out of one sentence of information.
- qualityonly 6y agoApple marketing should never be taken seriously. If you fall for privacy and security claims, you are at serious risk of having both violated.
- notimetorelax 6y agoAgree, this article is the best example of why one should not talk to journalist if they work for a as secretive org as Apple. A single sentence leads to a multi-page article.
- oefrha 6y agoI’d say Gurman’s reporting is probably, to a considerable extent, controlled leak. He usually gets salient facts straight, then mixes those with useless and sometimes subtly wrong (or just wrong) filler, and occasionally paints the wrong picture from the facts he was told. Fortunately it’s usually not hard to pick out the facts that were leaked to him, and ignore whatever conclusions he drew personally.
- adolph 6y agoThe details are a shibboleth for the reader to assess the writer's reliability. Noting the errors in the commentary allows others to improve article consumption efficiency. The article itself is essentially devoid of information and I'm surprised that it is on the front page here. Regardless the source, it is asinine to consider as news a prediction that Apple plans to continue in the same direction they've been going for some time. What's next, sun will rise again tomorrow, rain is wet, or Microsoft is planning a next version of .NET?
- zepto 6y ago
- sandworm101 6y ago>> Threadripper is NOT a CPU for gaming. And a Ford Mustang isn't a sports car. It's a muscle car. Regardless, both are faster than my civic. Threadripper might not be the best gaming CPU but any threadripper would be an improvement over my current gaming rig.
- bluedino 6y ago>> And a Ford Mustang isn't a sports car. It's a muscle car. The Mustang isn't a 'muscle car', either: it's a 'pony car'.
- rfoo 6y agoI believe their point is Threadripper is even poorer at gaming than some weaker and cheaper AMD CPUs (3900X, 5900X) or those Intel craps which have one single advantage: running at 5GHz+. A disgusting number of modern games still depends on mostly single thread performance. So, you can beat highest gaming PC at gaming, but that doesn't reflect your power at running "productivity" workloads.
- sandworm101 6y agoSingle-core performance is certainly one measure of a gaming cpu. But I would argue that "gaming" has evolved a little since. Gamers now also want to stream. They want to record. They want alt-tab to a video chat. They want to play one game while Steam is downloading updates for several others. Having extra unused cores can be useful in such situations. There is a use case for threadripper in gaming. There are also a few games (Factorio) where ram limitations can bottleneck before cpu/gpu limitations, where Threadripper's extra memory channels can really help.
- friedman23 6y ago>Threadripper is NOT a CPU for gaming. this is a really unimportant distinction
- Shivetya 6y agoI had a 2013 iMac with Nvidia 780m graphics I replaced with a refurbished 2019 model using AMD graphics. I ended up doing so because Nvidia dropped updates a few years back and Apple never did update the drivers. I would like to see a world class GPU from Apple but again, I repeat this often, it won't mean much more than marketing materials if they don't get developers on board. This means more than just publishing oriented developers; video, pictures, and audio. That market is not sufficiently large to pull in other software as has been proven over the decades let alone get people to pay a premium for a system; because people do shop based on $$$ outside of gamers who wont' even look if there game isn't supported. across Black Friday there were many good windows laptops at $500 or less with SSDs, some with dGPU, and most with 16gb ram. people see that and also that they know software just works and that is what Apple still is up against, hardware superiority or not
- Mauricebranagh 6y agoBut a Threadripper is a HDET chip aka Highest Performing PC's A pure gaming PC these days doesn't need a very powerful CPU
- EricE 6y agoDepends on your game. My current obsession of choice, Cities:Skylines, eats RAM first, CPU second and GPU is a distant (distant!) third. I've never heard any game complain they had too much CPU
- d3nj4l 6y agoThe article is by Mark Gurman, a fairly reliable Apple leaker. [1] Regardless of the fluff, the information about the apple chips is probably on the money. 1: https://appletrack.org/leaderboard/ https://appletrack.org/leaderboard/