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Yes, pretty much every educated person realizes that. When people say "stop using oil", it really means stop using it for fuel because that is the vast majorit

• internet_user 6y ago
  CO2 is not a significant problem compared to quite literally millions upon millions tons of persistent, bio-accumulating chemicals that are dumped into the rivers and oceans by large polluters. That is to say: actual poison. They love setting people on quixotic quest against fairly harmless CO2 while they continue dumping actual toxic poison into ecosystem.
  • enchiridion 6y ago
    After the whole debacle with recycling, I am more inclined to believe this is true.
  • brazzy 6y ago
    > CO2 is not a significant problem This is criminally stupid bullshit of the highest order. Climate change is real, it is an existential threat to human civilization, and it is to a very large degree caused by CO2 from burning fossil fuels. Those are scientifically established facts. > quite literally millions upon millions tons of persistent, bio-accumulating chemicals that are dumped into the rivers and oceans by large polluters. This is also a serious problem. But it is A) not in fact as big of a threat, and B) would in fact also be significantly reduced if we stopped burning oil as fuel, because the oil extraction industry is one of the worst (quite likely the worst) source of "persistent, bio-accumulating chemicals that are dumped into the rivers and oceans". > They love setting people on quixotic quest against fairly harmless CO2 while they continue dumping actual toxic poison into ecosystem. You are doing exactly the thing you are criticizing.
  • SuoDuanDao 6y ago
    I agree CO2 has become a red herring. But I believe a lot of intelligent people supported its use for a long time not out of malice, but because it was a single metric that, while not a very good proxy for the various pollutants that are emitted by large polluters, was probably the best single proxy available.
    • imtringued 6y ago
      You are underestimating how much man made CO2 is in the atmosphere. Preindustrial CO2 levels were at around 280ppm. Nowadays we are at 415ppm and no sign of any slowdown. 30% of the CO2 in the atmosphere came from burning fossil fuels. We are just a few decades away from doubling CO2 levels compared to preindustrial times. On the order of millions of years the earth is a self correcting system that always tries to release as much energy as it absorbs. If you disrupt it in mere centuries you're going to see mass extinctions. Humans can adapt but often that just means they migrate to more hospitable locations. It means more refugees than we already have. The negative effects on agriculture will make it harder to feed 8 billion people so eventually civil wars will break out.
      • SuoDuanDao 6y ago
        We are already seeing mass extinctions though, and biodiversity is generally greater in warmer regions. Unless these extinctions are entirely due to the 0.9 degrees of warming we've seen, there are other factors at play, many of which might yield more bang for our buck if we focused on them instead of net CO2e. I think of measuring environmental health via CO2 like measuring economic health via GDP - it's probably the best single indicator if we have to use a single indicator, but it ignores a lot of nuance without which a better system can't really be designed.