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The delays were sheer incompetence and are far from normal in the gaming industry. You don't guarantee to fans personally that the game will definitely come out

by 0xy 6y ago

The delays were sheer incompetence and are far from normal in the gaming industry. You don't guarantee to fans personally that the game will definitely come out at a date (which is less than a month away) then delay it the next day. This indicates that nobody even knew how bad it was. There's also rumors developers found out about the delays from social media. CDPR execs are just incompetent and unable to set realistic timelines. When big AAA releases are delayed, they're usually delayed once and it's done 6+ months from release (because it's obvious then you won't make it). Delaying when it's less than a month out? Absolute incompetence. You lose millions and millions of dollars doing this, by burning marketing dollars and screwing over your retail partners.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
Who cares? It’s a game. Incompetence or not, harassing and threatening devs is not okay.
- 0xy 6y ago
  Reread the OP. It's not exclusively about threats. This is also a giant billion dollar corporation that deliberately misled customers (who in many cases have already paid them for the product). How did they deliberately mislead them? By saying things like only a natural disaster would stop the latest release date, only for it to slip with less than a month left. That's an actual lie and false advertising. As someone with project management experience, the people making those claims are either incompetent or lying. So yeah, customers who paid them money and were lied to have an absolute right to be furious. Death threats is an excuse. 99.99% of the criticism was justified and without intimidation or threats.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    Estimates are hard, software gets delayed. It’s not fun for the customer but it happens all the time and life goes on. Ask for your money back, or try for a class action lawsuit if you really think it’s fraudulent. Obviously people can feel however they want, but we’re talking about $5–60 and like eight months delay; you’ll forgive me for being a little dismissive of people who are “furious” about this.
- buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
  Stop implying that anyone is suggesting threatening devs is ok. GP in no way implied this at all. You can point out the delays are do to incompetence without agreeing that death threats are ok.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    You're misrepresenting GGP's comment. They mentioned incompetence so as to exculpate the people getting bent up about a video game coming out a few months late — behavior that, as GGGP described it, included death threats.
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      > They mentioned incompetence so as to exculpate the people You are ascribing intent where there is none. We need to stop framing conversations based upon the extremists in the population. The root comment is full of hyperbole, but there is no indication he supports death threats, that's just silly.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  Yep, it's not like it's a covid vaccine or solution to global warming. It is guaranteed 100% survival rate for the complainers who really need to take a step back and look at what is really important in life. It's certainly not a game that you hasn't even been released.
ekianjo 6y ago
> The delays were sheer incompetence and are far from normal in the gaming industry. Oh, so building something that was never done before and not meeting the deadline exactly is sheer incompetence? I hope you never have to build anything new.
- 0xy 6y ago
  Every game is something "never done before". And I did not say not meeting deadlines is sheer incompetence. I said the way they slipped is incompetence. Less than a month from release while blindsiding their own company and fans.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    > Every game is something "never done before" No, you can't really make that claim. There are thousands of clones of more popular games out there, it's not like the game production is massively original to begin with. And yes, Cyberpunk 2077 pushes the boundaries of what we expect from games in many ways - it's going to be one of the most complex games we have on the market to date when it releases.
    - 0xy 6y ago
      It cost more to complete and has less content than GTA III. It's not one of the most complex by any metric. I don't know people bother to defend billion dollar corporations in the habit of lying and misrepresenting their products. People paid them money for a product that was misrepresented in false advertising, I don't know it could be clearer than that as to why they're justifiably outraged. 99.99% of the criticism did not include intimidation, death threats or anything along those lines. CDPR used it as a deflectionary tactic from their own business practices. And no, delays like this are not common. Games get delayed when they're many months away from release (it's obvious then that it's not done). Less than a month? They're either lying or so incompetent they don't know their own progress. Neither excuse the false claims. It's a billion dollar publicly listed corporation. This isn't some indie studio.
detaro 6y ago
Incompetence while making a video game isn't a valid reason for death threats either.
- 0xy 6y ago
  You're implying I made a claim I never made. I never said it justified it.
  - detaro 6y ago
    Then I'm not sure why you put it in reply to a comment that just talked about how they don't understand how people could do that, if it's not relevant to the threats.
    - 0xy 6y ago
      Because the OP was about angry customers, not exclusively about death threats. Of course people are angry, because they in many cases actually lost something. In many companies, you book leave months out and cannot change it. They were still promising there would be no more delays with less than a month to go, even saying only a natural disaster would stop them. Now we know that's a lie, and they were deliberately misleading customers.
pie_flavor 6y ago
Argue from personal interest if you like, but arguing from business interest suggests that you have a better idea what makes them money than their execs do; the final delay can't have been done for much more than money. As for my personal interest: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto
4cao 6y ago
While this comment is problematic because of the entitlement it exudes, it draws attention to two important phenomena: (1) the issue would have likely been avoided if the studio did not set a day-definite release date (announcing it more generally as e.g. Q4 2020 instead); (2) there is a general problem with how game pre-orders work: people put their money down but it isn't really clear what they are getting for it in return, or when they will be getting it; many pre-orderers make certain assumptions to this effect, and when promises fail to materialize later, the disappointment runs deep.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  > While this comment is problematic because of the entitlement it exudes Expecting not to be lied to as a customer is a very justifiable stance. And it seems pretty clear to me that they met the standards of lying in the more recent announcements. They didn't just make bad predictions early on. > more generally as e.g. Q4 2020 The first release date was Q2 and the second release date was Q3, so I'm skeptical that would have helped.

by 0xy 6y ago

jakelazaroff 6y ago

Who cares? It’s a game. Incompetence or not, harassing and threatening devs is not okay.

0xy 6y ago
Reread the OP. It's not exclusively about threats. This is also a giant billion dollar corporation that deliberately misled customers (who in many cases have already paid them for the product). How did they deliberately mislead them? By saying things like only a natural disaster would stop the latest release date, only for it to slip with less than a month left. That's an actual lie and false advertising. As someone with project management experience, the people making those claims are either incompetent or lying. So yeah, customers who paid them money and were lied to have an absolute right to be furious. Death threats is an excuse. 99.99% of the criticism was justified and without intimidation or threats.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  Estimates are hard, software gets delayed. It’s not fun for the customer but it happens all the time and life goes on. Ask for your money back, or try for a class action lawsuit if you really think it’s fraudulent. Obviously people can feel however they want, but we’re talking about $5–60 and like eight months delay; you’ll forgive me for being a little dismissive of people who are “furious” about this.
buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
Stop implying that anyone is suggesting threatening devs is ok. GP in no way implied this at all. You can point out the delays are do to incompetence without agreeing that death threats are ok.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  You're misrepresenting GGP's comment. They mentioned incompetence so as to exculpate the people getting bent up about a video game coming out a few months late — behavior that, as GGGP described it, included death threats.
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    > They mentioned incompetence so as to exculpate the people You are ascribing intent where there is none. We need to stop framing conversations based upon the extremists in the population. The root comment is full of hyperbole, but there is no indication he supports death threats, that's just silly.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
Yep, it's not like it's a covid vaccine or solution to global warming. It is guaranteed 100% survival rate for the complainers who really need to take a step back and look at what is really important in life. It's certainly not a game that you hasn't even been released.

ekianjo 6y ago

> The delays were sheer incompetence and are far from normal in the gaming industry. Oh, so building something that was never done before and not meeting the deadline exactly is sheer incompetence? I hope you never have to build anything new.

0xy 6y ago
Every game is something "never done before". And I did not say not meeting deadlines is sheer incompetence. I said the way they slipped is incompetence. Less than a month from release while blindsiding their own company and fans.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  > Every game is something "never done before" No, you can't really make that claim. There are thousands of clones of more popular games out there, it's not like the game production is massively original to begin with. And yes, Cyberpunk 2077 pushes the boundaries of what we expect from games in many ways - it's going to be one of the most complex games we have on the market to date when it releases.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    It cost more to complete and has less content than GTA III. It's not one of the most complex by any metric. I don't know people bother to defend billion dollar corporations in the habit of lying and misrepresenting their products. People paid them money for a product that was misrepresented in false advertising, I don't know it could be clearer than that as to why they're justifiably outraged. 99.99% of the criticism did not include intimidation, death threats or anything along those lines. CDPR used it as a deflectionary tactic from their own business practices. And no, delays like this are not common. Games get delayed when they're many months away from release (it's obvious then that it's not done). Less than a month? They're either lying or so incompetent they don't know their own progress. Neither excuse the false claims. It's a billion dollar publicly listed corporation. This isn't some indie studio.

detaro 6y ago

Incompetence while making a video game isn't a valid reason for death threats either.

0xy 6y ago
You're implying I made a claim I never made. I never said it justified it.
- detaro 6y ago
  Then I'm not sure why you put it in reply to a comment that just talked about how they don't understand how people could do that, if it's not relevant to the threats.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    Because the OP was about angry customers, not exclusively about death threats. Of course people are angry, because they in many cases actually lost something. In many companies, you book leave months out and cannot change it. They were still promising there would be no more delays with less than a month to go, even saying only a natural disaster would stop them. Now we know that's a lie, and they were deliberately misleading customers.

pie_flavor 6y ago

Argue from personal interest if you like, but arguing from business interest suggests that you have a better idea what makes them money than their execs do; the final delay can't have been done for much more than money. As for my personal interest: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto

4cao 6y ago

While this comment is problematic because of the entitlement it exudes, it draws attention to two important phenomena: (1) the issue would have likely been avoided if the studio did not set a day-definite release date (announcing it more generally as e.g. Q4 2020 instead); (2) there is a general problem with how game pre-orders work: people put their money down but it isn't really clear what they are getting for it in return, or when they will be getting it; many pre-orderers make certain assumptions to this effect, and when promises fail to materialize later, the disappointment runs deep.

Dylan16807 6y ago
> While this comment is problematic because of the entitlement it exudes Expecting not to be lied to as a customer is a very justifiable stance. And it seems pretty clear to me that they met the standards of lying in the more recent announcements. They didn't just make bad predictions early on. > more generally as e.g. Q4 2020 The first release date was Q2 and the second release date was Q3, so I'm skeptical that would have helped.