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You're in luck. Buy a commercial TV, or a hospitality TV. For example: https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-tvs/lg-65ut640s0ua https://www.lg.com/us/busin

You're in luck. Buy a commercial TV, or a hospitality TV. For example: https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-tvs/lg-65ut640s0ua https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-tvs/lg-65ut640s0ua Other TV manufacturers make similar products.

Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
Thanks for that, I have a standing need gap for 'Make TV dumb again' [1]. [1]https://needgap.com/problems/64-make-tv-dumb-again-privacy-cybersecurity https://needgap.com/problems/64-make-tv-dumb-again-privacy-c...
- jlgaddis 6y ago
  HN'ers: don't bother clicking, it's just some self-promoting bullshit. X-Spam-Flag: YES -- @Abishek_Muthian: Thanks for your multiple contributions (four, just from your HN profile!) to the NXDOMAIN blacklists! (On a somewhat related note, I just cannot understand how you're not a gazillionaire from FindDate -- such a unique, novel concept! -- but perhaps the pivot to "startup coaching" will work out. Fake it 'till ya make it, amirite!?)
- jeanofthedead 6y ago
  I was able to do this with my TCL/Roku TV a few months back. My curiosity got the best of me with the announcement of their latest OS, so I upgraded to see what the new features were like. Now I am stuck in the ecosystem, as the downgrade feature is completely disabled (even from a USB stick, with no internet connection, after a factory reset). Luckily, I use a Pihole as my DNS on my router, but still. Super annoying.
  - Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
    That's a valid point, dumb TVs need to be kept dumb by not updating/upgrading the OS although this results in conundrum of not patching existing vulnerabilities in favour of not introducing new vulnerabilities? Vulnerabilities of dumb TVs could still be exploited by plugging in USB devices/SD card or even STB like Roku.
stevehawk 6y ago
there's a lot of software in that "dumb" tv
mattnewton 6y ago
Commercial signage tvs tend to be much more expensive and never really go on sale though. I can't even find out the price of this product without calling them to talk to a salesperson?
- joshu 6y ago
  Pro tip: you can Google for part numbers and find people who sell things.
  - acka 6y ago
    Yeah, and if you're lucky enough to find a seller that way, 9 times out of 10 it will be a wholesaler who will only sell you stuff if you have a corporate account, meaning you either own a business yourself or are cleared by your boss to purchase stuff. Add to that the ludicrous shipping costs for anything weighing more than a box of cereal, insane import duties for anything worth more than say $50, plus a fat VAT slapped on top of all that, and most people in the rest of the world* will probably think twice about it. TL;DR buying enterprise grade gear of any substance from across the globe as a consumer is a little bit more involved than ordering a pair of slippers frome some seller on AliExpress. * as in: beyond the next Wal-Mart
    - joshu 6y ago
      they sell it at newegg.
      - acka 6y ago
        No Newegg in my country, sorry.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  They’re more expensive because they need to make up the lost revenue from advertising and the likes. Or something like that. Of course, there’s also the simple thing of “enterprise stuff costs more for no reason.”
miked85 6y ago
All of the "key features" of this TV are what I want to avoid though. Maybe not as bad a consumer TV, but not that great either: Content Management/Group Management SuperSign Control Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Wake-on-LAN Crestron Connected® (Network Based Control)
- jlgaddis 6y ago
  The difference is that, with this TV, you are the one in control -- not the manufacturer.
- allarm 6y ago
  SNMP is a monitoring protocol and WoL is a great way to automatically control your screens. You can’t use WoL outside of the local network and SNMP is configurable and secure (if it’s at least v2). It’s not something you should be worried about.
oAlbe 6y ago
I've asked this in other similar posts: how do you even buy one of those? I went to the equivalent LG website for my country, and they don't even have a button for contacting them like in the link above. So I did some searching for the model "LG UT640S" and I only found it sold on one website in my country, but listed as a smart TV (full number: "LG 43UT640S0ZA", parent ends in S0UA). What gives? Do you need a company to be able to buy one of those? Maybe a sort of line of credit with LG? Buy in bulk? None of this makes sense honestly. I wanna buy a product that clearly exists in the world, but I can't even find someone, somewhere, that will sell it to me.

Abishek_Muthian 6y ago

Thanks for that, I have a standing need gap for 'Make TV dumb again' [1]. [1]https://needgap.com/problems/64-make-tv-dumb-again-privacy-cybersecurity https://needgap.com/problems/64-make-tv-dumb-again-privacy-c...

jlgaddis 6y ago
HN'ers: don't bother clicking, it's just some self-promoting bullshit. X-Spam-Flag: YES -- @Abishek_Muthian: Thanks for your multiple contributions (four, just from your HN profile!) to the NXDOMAIN blacklists! (On a somewhat related note, I just cannot understand how you're not a gazillionaire from FindDate -- such a unique, novel concept! -- but perhaps the pivot to "startup coaching" will work out. Fake it 'till ya make it, amirite!?)
jeanofthedead 6y ago
I was able to do this with my TCL/Roku TV a few months back. My curiosity got the best of me with the announcement of their latest OS, so I upgraded to see what the new features were like. Now I am stuck in the ecosystem, as the downgrade feature is completely disabled (even from a USB stick, with no internet connection, after a factory reset). Luckily, I use a Pihole as my DNS on my router, but still. Super annoying.
- Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
  That's a valid point, dumb TVs need to be kept dumb by not updating/upgrading the OS although this results in conundrum of not patching existing vulnerabilities in favour of not introducing new vulnerabilities? Vulnerabilities of dumb TVs could still be exploited by plugging in USB devices/SD card or even STB like Roku.

stevehawk 6y ago

there's a lot of software in that "dumb" tv

mattnewton 6y ago

Commercial signage tvs tend to be much more expensive and never really go on sale though. I can't even find out the price of this product without calling them to talk to a salesperson?

joshu 6y ago
Pro tip: you can Google for part numbers and find people who sell things.
- acka 6y ago
  Yeah, and if you're lucky enough to find a seller that way, 9 times out of 10 it will be a wholesaler who will only sell you stuff if you have a corporate account, meaning you either own a business yourself or are cleared by your boss to purchase stuff. Add to that the ludicrous shipping costs for anything weighing more than a box of cereal, insane import duties for anything worth more than say $50, plus a fat VAT slapped on top of all that, and most people in the rest of the world* will probably think twice about it. TL;DR buying enterprise grade gear of any substance from across the globe as a consumer is a little bit more involved than ordering a pair of slippers frome some seller on AliExpress. * as in: beyond the next Wal-Mart
  - joshu 6y ago
    they sell it at newegg.
    - acka 6y ago
      No Newegg in my country, sorry.
colejohnson66 6y ago
They’re more expensive because they need to make up the lost revenue from advertising and the likes. Or something like that. Of course, there’s also the simple thing of “enterprise stuff costs more for no reason.”

miked85 6y ago

All of the "key features" of this TV are what I want to avoid though. Maybe not as bad a consumer TV, but not that great either: Content Management/Group Management SuperSign Control Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Wake-on-LAN Crestron Connected® (Network Based Control)

jlgaddis 6y ago
The difference is that, with this TV, you are the one in control -- not the manufacturer.
allarm 6y ago
SNMP is a monitoring protocol and WoL is a great way to automatically control your screens. You can’t use WoL outside of the local network and SNMP is configurable and secure (if it’s at least v2). It’s not something you should be worried about.

oAlbe 6y ago

I've asked this in other similar posts: how do you even buy one of those? I went to the equivalent LG website for my country, and they don't even have a button for contacting them like in the link above. So I did some searching for the model "LG UT640S" and I only found it sold on one website in my country, but listed as a smart TV (full number: "LG 43UT640S0ZA", parent ends in S0UA). What gives? Do you need a company to be able to buy one of those? Maybe a sort of line of credit with LG? Buy in bulk? None of this makes sense honestly. I wanna buy a product that clearly exists in the world, but I can't even find someone, somewhere, that will sell it to me.