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Of that 52M how many are bots, and how many are their toxic subs?

krebsho 6y ago
r/Eugene is filled with undercover cops from the local police propaganda dept and local communists, between the two the subreddit is toxic af.
fortran77 6y ago
The great thing about toxic subs is you don't have to subscribe to them! I don't see anything "toxic" on reddit. Just people having fun discussing the latest episode of "Below Deck" or sharing cat pictures, etc.
- offtop5 6y ago
  If you ever view all the toxic stuff flows to the top. I found myself getting really angry needlessly and had to delete my account. I'll browse subs like Unity though.
Scoundreller 6y ago
Iunno, they’ve been on a censorship binge though. Dunno what it will accomplish as those users just go elsewhere, and then those communities will bolt on the regular subs as well. The cycle of social media I guess.
- rnd0 6y ago
  <quote>Dunno what it will accomplish as those users just go elsewhere,</quote> That's irrelevant. If they go somewhere else, then they're not Reddit's problem. Consider that most "purges" happen to coincide with bad PR and you'll understand that's what their motive is.
DethNinja 6y ago
Bots are a huge problem for advertisement industry and social media in general. One good solution to this problem is as following: * In order to post content, accounts must be purchased based on a spot fee. For example, if suddenly 10 fold more people want to open accounts then spot price will rise to 60 dollars from a base price of 6 dollars. * This can be done through BTC payments instead of dollars to protect identity of account owners a bit. * Users should be able to hand-select moderators and if wanted, review their actions transparently. This will eliminate all unfair moderation and provide huge value to users. An user still can get banned by a moderator but only people who subscribe to that moderator will assume user is banned. * As accounts are bought to post content, there won’t be any advertisement. There might be some subscription fee though. * All this can be done in a decentralised framework to increase resilience.
- remram 6y ago
  Do you think random internet users are more likely to purchase accounts than advertising departments? The fee seems like a good way to only get posts from professional CMs. This is how you get only advertisement. And unless you put a similar fee to unlock voting, you don't prevent a whole class of issues with bots.
  - DethNinja 6y ago
    Voting would also require an account. Random internet user would purchase an account if service provided value for them. For example, maybe they can create forums via this system for their gaming guild etc. Yes, advertisers can purchase an account but there might be a popular moderator who bans these viral advertisements, based on popularity of ad-blocker I imagine such an moderator would get bunch of subscribers. Perhaps moderators can make some money through their subscribers as well, might be an interesting scheme. Also spot price is pretty strong deterrent for advertisers especially if they keep getting banned through popular moderators.
    - remram 6y ago
      Do you think random internet users would purchase accounts, when they get no value from it? They can still consume all the content for free, paying only gives them the right to put free labor into curation. I can see some users pay the fee so they can downvote opponents, but otherwise why would they? And of course they can still pay a higher fee to downvote multiple times, if they are angry enough, which is exactly what you wanted to prevent in the first place...

r/Eugene is filled with undercover cops from the local police propaganda dept and local communists, between the two the subreddit is toxic af.

fortran77 6y ago

The great thing about toxic subs is you don't have to subscribe to them! I don't see anything "toxic" on reddit. Just people having fun discussing the latest episode of "Below Deck" or sharing cat pictures, etc.

offtop5 6y ago
If you ever view all the toxic stuff flows to the top. I found myself getting really angry needlessly and had to delete my account. I'll browse subs like Unity though.

Scoundreller 6y ago

Iunno, they’ve been on a censorship binge though. Dunno what it will accomplish as those users just go elsewhere, and then those communities will bolt on the regular subs as well. The cycle of social media I guess.

rnd0 6y ago
<quote>Dunno what it will accomplish as those users just go elsewhere,</quote> That's irrelevant. If they go somewhere else, then they're not Reddit's problem. Consider that most "purges" happen to coincide with bad PR and you'll understand that's what their motive is.

DethNinja 6y ago

Bots are a huge problem for advertisement industry and social media in general. One good solution to this problem is as following: * In order to post content, accounts must be purchased based on a spot fee. For example, if suddenly 10 fold more people want to open accounts then spot price will rise to 60 dollars from a base price of 6 dollars. * This can be done through BTC payments instead of dollars to protect identity of account owners a bit. * Users should be able to hand-select moderators and if wanted, review their actions transparently. This will eliminate all unfair moderation and provide huge value to users. An user still can get banned by a moderator but only people who subscribe to that moderator will assume user is banned. * As accounts are bought to post content, there won’t be any advertisement. There might be some subscription fee though. * All this can be done in a decentralised framework to increase resilience.

remram 6y ago
Do you think random internet users are more likely to purchase accounts than advertising departments? The fee seems like a good way to only get posts from professional CMs. This is how you get only advertisement. And unless you put a similar fee to unlock voting, you don't prevent a whole class of issues with bots.
- DethNinja 6y ago
  Voting would also require an account. Random internet user would purchase an account if service provided value for them. For example, maybe they can create forums via this system for their gaming guild etc. Yes, advertisers can purchase an account but there might be a popular moderator who bans these viral advertisements, based on popularity of ad-blocker I imagine such an moderator would get bunch of subscribers. Perhaps moderators can make some money through their subscribers as well, might be an interesting scheme. Also spot price is pretty strong deterrent for advertisers especially if they keep getting banned through popular moderators.
  - remram 6y ago
    Do you think random internet users would purchase accounts, when they get no value from it? They can still consume all the content for free, paying only gives them the right to put free labor into curation. I can see some users pay the fee so they can downvote opponents, but otherwise why would they? And of course they can still pay a higher fee to downvote multiple times, if they are angry enough, which is exactly what you wanted to prevent in the first place...