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That is your opinion, not a fact. Meanwhile in NL we have to import carpenter/plumber/drywall laborers, because ... we discourage choosing such a career for our
by the-dude 6y ago
That is your opinion, not a fact. Meanwhile in NL we have to import carpenter/plumber/drywall laborers, because ... we discourage choosing such a career for our own population and don't provide the education anymore. In the not so distant past, we did.
What a lot of software 'engineers' in NL rather don't see is that you can make a very very healthy living as a 'drywaller' ( not a native speaker, can't find the word ). You can easily make more than as a software dev.
The general population just is not as malleable ( Dutch: maakbaar? ) as boomers would like to believe. So at the bottom we have an entire cohort who used to work in factories or the building industry, who rely on financial support.
The first 'food bank' in NL was started in 2000. Why?
- oblio 6y agoPeople tend to run away from physical, backbreaking work. It's hard to do this kind of job when you're 50 or 60 and with physical work the risk of death or injury is also higher. Plus it's harder to move up the financial and social ladder.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y agoThen maybe we, as a culture, should work harder on not looking down on people who do the actual labor of keeping civilization afloat.
- oblio 6y agoWell, good luck with that. It's pretty much universal that people appreciate some kinds of work and look down on others.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y agoMike Rowe did a lot of good work promoting more respect for traditionally looked-down-upon jobs. It is just a matter of changing cultural narrative.
- alisonkisk 6y agoNot really. People look down on jobs that pay less for the cost in work and health.
- the-dude 6y agoAh, well, this might help to explain to said cohort that instead of having a vocational training, they should study to become an Ethical AI scientist. We should not forget their predicament is in their own making after all. It definitely sleeps better.
- oblio 6y agoThe bad news for your approach is that these people still have to be integrated in society, they don't just vanish upon graduating "Ethical AI".
- the-dude 6y agoPardon my ignorance, but what does integrated in society actually mean?
- oblio 6y agoIf they can't find jobs or fall on hard times because of it, they still need to be helped. Shelter, food, etc.
- imtringued 6y agoWasn't his suggestion that you should look for jobs that are actually in demand (someone still has to do physical labor) and don't necessarily require higher education?
- oblio 6y agoYeah, but you still need some qualifications for those. I don't think you can just apply for a welding position as J. Random, off the street.