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Exactly. It's hard to see how masks themselves could have a negative effect. If they have a positive effect caused by people being more conscious of the current

Exactly. It's hard to see how masks themselves could have a negative effect. If they have a positive effect caused by people being more conscious of the current situation and keeping a greater distance, or not going out at all because having to wear a mask is a burden, so what? Worst case is they are neutral all things considered.

makomk 6y ago
It may be hard to see how masks themselves have a negative effect, but it's easy to see how mask wearing as a medical intervention in the real world could. All it would take is people being willing to stand slightly closer together or take slightly more risks because they believed masks were effective protection.
- mdorazio 6y ago
  As a counterpoint and to reiterate the parent comment's point, masks are a stark visual reminder that you need to practice other measures like social distancing and going out less. I'd be willing to bet that masks increase likelihood of practicing safe pandemic measures due to a "top of mind" effect rather than decrease them due to a false sense of safety.
- matwood 6y ago
  I don't like this argument b/c what I have seen is that anti-mask people are generally covid deniers and take risks regardless. With that said, the medical professionals telling people to wear masks always say in addition to distancing and hygiene.
- acqq 6y ago
  That's why the message must be clear: even if it protects a single wearer just 20%, it can provably have huge benefit to everybody, but only if everybody does it (1) while all that doesn't mean that other measures could be avoided (2), especially if R raises in spite of one single measure. 1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25301380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25301380 2) The Swiss cheese model of how defences, barriers, and safeguards may be penetrated by an accident trajectory (see the figure): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117770/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117770/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-swiss-cheese-model-can-help-us-beat-covid-19-11605283134 https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-swiss-cheese-model-can-...

makomk 6y ago

It may be hard to see how masks themselves have a negative effect, but it's easy to see how mask wearing as a medical intervention in the real world could. All it would take is people being willing to stand slightly closer together or take slightly more risks because they believed masks were effective protection.

mdorazio 6y ago
As a counterpoint and to reiterate the parent comment's point, masks are a stark visual reminder that you need to practice other measures like social distancing and going out less. I'd be willing to bet that masks increase likelihood of practicing safe pandemic measures due to a "top of mind" effect rather than decrease them due to a false sense of safety.
matwood 6y ago
I don't like this argument b/c what I have seen is that anti-mask people are generally covid deniers and take risks regardless. With that said, the medical professionals telling people to wear masks always say in addition to distancing and hygiene.
acqq 6y ago
That's why the message must be clear: even if it protects a single wearer just 20%, it can provably have huge benefit to everybody, but only if everybody does it (1) while all that doesn't mean that other measures could be avoided (2), especially if R raises in spite of one single measure. 1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25301380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25301380 2) The Swiss cheese model of how defences, barriers, and safeguards may be penetrated by an accident trajectory (see the figure): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117770/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117770/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-swiss-cheese-model-can-help-us-beat-covid-19-11605283134 https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-swiss-cheese-model-can-...