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I had a suspicion upon reading Moorhead's review that he was trying to use familiar enterprise Windows software on the M1 instead of trying to use native apps:
by faitswulff 6y ago
I had a suspicion upon reading Moorhead's review that he was trying to use familiar enterprise Windows software on the M1 instead of trying to use native apps:
> So far, I have experienced application crashes in Microsoft Edge, Outlook, WinZip and Logitech Camera Control. I got installation errors with Adobe Reader XI, Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, a Samsung SSD backup application, and Xbox 360 Controller for Mac.
What Mac user tries to use Edge and WinZip? A Samsung backup application? Xbox 360? Such a bizarre collection of software that snubs macOS's native browser.
- ceejayoz 6y agoTo be fair, I'm getting absolutely enormous memory leaks in stock Safari on my new M1 MBP after a few hours of use. It doesn't seem to be reclaiming memory when tabs are closed. https://imgur.com/a/HqxAspK https://imgur.com/a/HqxAspK There are growing pains, and they're not all in third-party apps. (It is hilarious to me, though, that WinZip a) exists for Mac and b) is used by anyone on a Mac.)
- tracker1 6y agoNot running mac currently, but one of the things I hated was how the UX was for thinks like keka etc, vs 7-zip/winzip interfaces... they just didn't match how I was used to using the things, also having to extract an entire archive to pluck out the one or two files I was looking for is often a pain.
- JohnBooty 6y agoI don't disagree re: the GUIs for Mac compression apps. Part of the reason for this IMHO is because your typical developer on a Mac has always used the command line tools for that sort of thing. So, Mac developers were never really motivated to build great GUI tools for certain things. Compared to Windows, where the built in command prompt was lacking for so many years, and as a consequence 7zip/WinZIP/WinRAR gained really robust GUIs.
- tracker1 6y agoIt's ironic that you mention that, as I often used to just defer to the command line as the UX for the gui apps was so bad. I've always been centered around client/server or web app development or the backend and it was never painful enough to make something for myself. (scratch the itch)
- soapdog 6y agoI might be mistaken but, IIRC many browsers will not free memory from closed tabs. They'll keep it and reuse it for new tabs instead of deallocating and reallocating too often as you play with tabs.
- ceejayoz 6y agoYes, but it's not doing that. Every new tab incurs more RAM usage; it's not reusing. Usage keeps growing and growing until the system gets sluggish and it prompts me to kill Safari.
- arn 6y agoIf you are using an ad block or other extensions, that is likely the cause. I can't find specific reference, but try turning those off. edit: https://twitter.com/hondanhon/status/1329132372034347009 https://twitter.com/hondanhon/status/1329132372034347009
- ceejayoz 6y agoA browser isn't viable to me without ad blocking and 1Password. Firefox has issues currently on M1, as well - uBlock Origin won't load, for example. Thankfully, that particular issue is fixable by disabling javascript.options.wasm and javascript.options.wasm_trustedprincipals in about:config as a temporary solution. I fully expect these to be fixed, but it's clear it's gonna be a few weeks/months before everything runs right. If I were a non-technical user, I'd be returning it for an Intel Macbook.
- bstar77 6y agoHe’s not saying permanently disable Adblock, but rather disable it to see if it’s responsible for the memory leak in question.
- ceejayoz 6y agoAs far as I can tell, the issue is present without any extensions. I'm not willing to browse unprotected for several hours to 100% confirm, but it still grows with every tab.
- ArchOversight 6y agoYes, it grows, but slightly. Ever since 1Blocker updated their app to use the older logo rather than the new monochrome logo I am not seeing the disastrous memory growth I was seeing before. After ~5 days of use without restarting Safari it is still hovering at around 800 Mb used, instead of the 10 Gb+ it was using before.
- sedgjh23 6y ago
- pcr910303 6y agoIf you're using 1Blocker, you might want to turn off the (memory-leaking) 1Blocker Button until an update shows off... Worked like a charm at least to me :-) https://twitter.com/kb091412/status/1330470681813934086 https://twitter.com/kb091412/status/1330470681813934086
- om2 6y agoWow, that’s a lot of memory use. Would you be willing to file a Feedback Assistant report with a sysdiagnose? Would like to see what’s up here. How many tabs is this?
- ceejayoz 6y agoThis is after a couple hours of use. It stays high until quitting - closing all tabs doesn’t budge it. Happy to file a report. Any special instructions to make sure it gets to you? edit: Filed one; FB8927230.
- shawnz 6y agoNot to judge a book by it's cover, but mind-bogglingly his "preferred browser" for OSX is Edge. https://twitter.com/PatrickMoorhead/status/1329610569826131972 https://twitter.com/PatrickMoorhead/status/13296105698261319...
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- alwillis 6y agoEdge on macOS is a very good browser. Unlike Chrome, it has real privacy features for blocking tracking scripts right out of the box. The Collections feature is also well done.
- dustinmoris 6y ago> Edge on macOS is a very good browser. .. if you want your manager to spy on you.
- gcblkjaidfj 6y agochrome has enterprise managed mode just the same, with even more capabilities (i.e. spying features to keep your post wording) than the microsoft ones. MS enterprise mode can only control settings and extensions, google goes several steps further.
- fastball 6y agoSo like Brave but not as good?
- faitswulff 6y agoI guess my question then is whether he uses macOS (note: it's OS 11 now!) as a daily driver or if he's just transplanting familiar software from his Windows habits in order to test drive the M1?
- ghaff 6y ago
- tracker1 6y agoThat does sound a little sketchy... though I can see wanting to use the 360 controller, would like to see a review on how well most of the Steam supported games run for example. I'd been considering doing an ITX build for the living room, mostly for emulation/games... the new mac mini is definitely in the consideration, and seems to sit right between a lot of the nuc/sff options and mini-itx options and punch above it's weight against the latter.
- pwinnski 6y agoI think no additional software is needed to use the 360 controller on an M1 Mac.
- haunter 6y ago>WinZip https://www.winzip.com/mac/en/ https://www.winzip.com/mac/en/ >Xbox 360 Controller for Mac What's sketchy about that? Apple is pushing the "play any iOS game on the new Macs" hard. And a lot of them are supporting controllers natively on iPad and iPhone so obvious someone wants to try that out too.
- JohnBooty 6y agoI'm confused. Is that author running some "Xbox 360 Controller for Mac" application? I remember there used to be some special apps back in the day, to let you use a 360 controller on MacOS. I wonder if the author knows that you don't need those apps any more?
- supermatt 6y agoyep, that's exactly what he's doing, and its not compatible with Big Sur because its a kext - nothing to do with the M1
- kolinko 6y agoI just installed WinZip - runs smoothly on my M1. Ditto Microsoft Edge, installed, ran a few websites - no issues, aside from a bit slow speed (although it may be just a crappy browser, never tried it on an Intel). Perhaps with some heavier usage there are issues, but so far so good.
- solarkraft 6y agoI have experienced many crashes of these on Wintel. What a surprise that they crash on M1 Macs!
- neogodless 6y agoTo be a "Mac user" you have to give up the software you prefer, and use the software Mac prefers you to use. And you don't get to be unhappy if the software you prefer doesn't run OK? I am so happy to not be a Mac user, even if I'm sad I won't be trying out the great M1 CPU any time soon.
- toddmorey 6y agoBut that goes equally across platforms. When I'm on a windows machine, I miss the hell out of Keynote and Bear, for example.
- neogodless 6y agoExactly. So you either go back to using macOS, or you complain that Windows doesn't run the software you like. It's OK to do that for any OS you run. It's a valid reason to not like an OS, or in this case, an OS that is going through a transition to a new ISA. Until it runs the software you prefer, it isn't ideal.
- shawnz 6y agoSure, but it doesn't necessarily make it an objectively poorer product just because it's hard to swim against the current on that platform. Every platform necessarily has some expectation of doing things a certain way, and when things are done that way the experience will be better/easier. You seemed to be implying that this was some unique problem with OSX and that's what is holding you back from trying M1. But really, it sounds like what is holding you back is just the normal barriers of changing platforms. Personally as a Windows user I am hoping that Windows for ARM gets supported on M1 soon, but I don't think it's so unreasonable we're not there yet, and I am not going to discount the whole platform just because of it.
- neogodless 6y agoI do not hope to imply that this is a unique problem on OSX. I just disagree a bit that you have to conform to a standardized way to use a platform. Perhaps you do, with OSX, and it is a unique problem there? Obviously due to market structure, Microsoft gears Windows to "everyone" without being the "best" for many people, although it tends to be the best for PC gaming. What is holding me back from trying the M1, personally, is cost. I just paid $950 for a Ryzen 7 4800H with 16GB and GTX 1660 Ti. It can't hold a candle to an M1 Macbook in battery life, but I know I can run my programs and play my games and not think twice about it. My failsafe is an electrical outlet. I'm hoping I can end up trying an M1 (or successor) through an employer though! I spent the past year using a ~2014 Macbook Pro through work, and for work things, it was better than my Windows machines for working on projects where everyone else used bash on a Mac. As WSL improved, I was able to be equally productive on my Windows machines and tend to use them and not bother with the Macbook Pro. That's all a lot of extra anecdote you didn't need, but to be sure, I'm not trying to single out OSX - the OP singled it out by saying, essentially, "you're using it wrong!"
- madeofpalk 6y agoWait, WinZip is available on a Mac? I know its not the point, but... what's the point of using WinZip on a mac when the OS has built in unzipping?
- falcolas 6y agoMore granular control, more compression options.
- billforsternz 6y agoWindows has built in unzipping too, but I still find WinZip really useful (for zipping, and fast unzipping the way I want).
- mikestew 6y agoWhat Mac user tries to use Edge...? This Mac user, having just discovered that there's a macOS version of Edge. TIL... EDIT: well, you're off to a good start, Microsoft: https://imgur.com/a/IWZMlMl https://imgur.com/a/IWZMlMl Instead of a browser, I guess I installed demons. I wish they'd get this shit right. MS Teams always has this notification window hiding in the background so that whenever one alt-tabs to Teams the window doesn't actually have focus and your typing goes to /dev/null. And now their browser does this "fit-and-finish" crap that few muggles will parse.
- thr0w3345 6y agoGah, the exact same thing started happening for me with teams this week and it’s been driving me crazy. I guess I’ll have to rm it, all its junk in ~/Library and see if it gtfo’s and starts behaving again..
- balls187 6y agoMacbook Pro user since 2007. I use Chromium Edge. Runs great on my Intel 16" MBP.
- GekkePrutser 6y agoEnterprise users often don't have a choice. Microsoft is pushing very hard to get Edge set as mandated browser at enterprises everwhere. In work we're also moving away from Chrome for this reason.