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> Politicians often claim to follow the science, but that is a misleading oversimplification. Science is rarely absolute. It rarely applies to every setting or
by choward 6y ago
> Politicians often claim to follow the science, but that is a misleading oversimplification. Science is rarely absolute. It rarely applies to every setting or every population. It doesn’t make sense to slavishly follow science or evidence.
You can pretty much find a study or experiment that validates whatever opinion you have. It's not common for our society to immediately react to the result of one study or very few studies by applying them directly to the real world. Science takes time. Yet here we are.
Somehow we went from "masks for the general public are ineffective against fighting covid and most other diseases" to "any piece of garbage you put over your face is effective" almost instantly. I tried finding studies that proved that covid transmission is reduced when people put any piece of material over their face. I couldn't find any and still have yet to find one. They all show that things that may imply masks are effective but not of them show masks are actually effective.
They all seem to be based on the effectiveness of blocking droplets. To the best of my understanding we don't even know if it's airborne yet. Also, why aren't there any older studies? Droplets and masks have been around forever. Why did it take a few new studies to figure this out?
There are also so many other variables that are completely neglected such as the way people handle and wear their masks, how the masks fit, the material used (some studies cover multiple materials but are far from comprehensive), the social aspects like not being able to read someones expression, etc.
Cloth masks are all the rage these days but when you go to buy one none are approved by the FDA and say "not for medical use". Yet we are mandating that people where these things for medical use even though they haven't been proved by the FDA. They have been approved by this magical thing called "science" though. Why even have these government regulatory agencies if we can just bypass them in certain circumstances?
> Governments and industry must also stop announcing critical science policy by press release. Such ill judged moves leave science, the media, and stock markets vulnerable to manipulation. Clear, open, and advance publication of the scientific basis for policy, procurements, and wonder drugs is a fundamental requirement
They way covid policies are communicated is awful. When they change policies they always site science but never link to exact studies. They imply that this is the science they used is the "real" science and that all that matters.
I live in California and we have a site dedicated to covid (like I'm sure most other places do). A couple months ago they put up a "blueprint for reopening" that was supposedly based on science. There are arbitrary tiers that counties go through to determine what's banned. However, just recently, Newsom introduced a 10pm "curfew" and threatened another stay at home order. That wasn't part of the "blueprint". Where is the science for that?
- xienze 6y agoYeah the thing that’s driven me nuts the most over this is the belief that masks seemingly stop any and all transmission. Yes, even that cotton mask you haven’t washed in a week and throw in your purse when not in use. Tens of thousands of people crammed together, yelling and shouting for hours on end? No problem if you’re wearing a piece of cotton over your face! I wish there was just a little more nuance in the role of masks from our leaders and health officials like, “they help but they don’t make you invincible.”
- orblivion 6y agoI've been wearing mine because I expect it probably gives the people around me a slight benefit. I have no illusion that it's keeping anyone anywhere close to totally safe, and though common sense dictates that it does something, I'm not totally sure it does.
- jxramos 6y agoThey way masks truly work is that they afford a sense of comfort to the wearers and those surrounding them. That comfort lowers stress levels and thereby facilitates the immune system to focus its resources on pathogens and foreign bodies. This has been scientifically proven to be true 50% of the time based on a consensus of scientists doing sciencey things.
- mixedCase 6y agoCan I get a sciencey source on that or did I fail to detect sarcasm?
- takeda 6y agoThis was common before, but I believe most understands that right now.
- jiggawatts 6y ago"Why Masks Work BETTER Than You'd Think" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4 "The Astounding Physics of N95 Masks" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdanPfQdCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdanPfQdCA Masks were not recommended in the early stages of the pandemic in most countries because that would have cut into the limited supply of N95 masks that were prioritised for medical staff. Then there wasn't much good evidence to show if COVID specifically could be stopped by masks, or if so, what kind of masks help and how much. Thankfully, many research groups took to the challenge and published paper after paper in rapid succession to show that, yes, masks help a lot, even if they're made at home from a t-shirt. E.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s With the pandemic running rampant across the United States, the advice was updated.