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> Would be nice if flaggers had to provide a short sentence of why... Yes, and same for up and downvotes: I'd like to require a selection from a small set of r

by vosper 6y ago

> Would be nice if flaggers had to provide a short sentence of why... Yes, and same for up and downvotes: I'd like to require a selection from a small set of required tags, and for the aggregates to be visible (perhaps with a delay). I'd actually like up and down values to be applied to individual tags - for example, I might add +1 to the "correct" score of a story, but -1 for "rude / unkind" (we could bikeshed the names all day, but I don't think any realistic set would be worse than the zero info you get today when your comment goes grey but no-one has taken the time to explain why) I'm pretty sure this is what Slashdot used to do?

zbentley 6y ago
> I'm pretty sure this is what Slashdot used to do? Yes, that's definitely a community we should emulate. /s
- vosper 6y ago
  I'm not sure that Slashdot's community is/was inherently a result of their voting/tagging system. Their heyday was a long time ago, and the communoty standards were different to here. It was maybe somewhere between reddit and HN (I'm not sure either existed in Slashdot's hayday)
1123581321 6y ago
Most of the good discussion here happens without much mutual upvoting or downvoting. Frequent downvoters fit other users into political/technical/social narratives that wouldn’t make sense to anyone else, and the downvoted would reflect that.
- vosper 6y ago
  You're probably right, but I'll give you a concrete example: here's a post from today that was downvoted when I commented on it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25280929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25280929 It appeared to be making a factual claim about how MDM works, (and here's where I get subjective) counter to a prevailing narrative in the thread. It's not downvoted anymore, but there was no explanation available (and there still isn't). Was the comment wrong? Did people just not like it? Did they think it was off-topic to what it was replying to, or missing the point? We'll never know. I'd like to know :) Also, I think a system like I'm proposing would make it easier to find the quality comments and threads, and avoid (if you want to) the controversial stuff, the hot-takes, the me-too comments, the pandering to the HN crowd / tropes - etc...
  - 1123581321 6y ago
    To me that seems like one that will attract angry downvotes because it goes against a Google Bad narrative (not that they necessarily aren’t, or are.) I don’t think those kinds of readers are reflective enough to give good feedback. It’s difficult to discuss the particulars of many FAANG-related subjects here right now.

by vosper 6y ago

zbentley 6y ago

> I'm pretty sure this is what Slashdot used to do? Yes, that's definitely a community we should emulate. /s

vosper 6y ago
I'm not sure that Slashdot's community is/was inherently a result of their voting/tagging system. Their heyday was a long time ago, and the communoty standards were different to here. It was maybe somewhere between reddit and HN (I'm not sure either existed in Slashdot's hayday)

1123581321 6y ago

Most of the good discussion here happens without much mutual upvoting or downvoting. Frequent downvoters fit other users into political/technical/social narratives that wouldn’t make sense to anyone else, and the downvoted would reflect that.

vosper 6y ago
You're probably right, but I'll give you a concrete example: here's a post from today that was downvoted when I commented on it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25280929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25280929 It appeared to be making a factual claim about how MDM works, (and here's where I get subjective) counter to a prevailing narrative in the thread. It's not downvoted anymore, but there was no explanation available (and there still isn't). Was the comment wrong? Did people just not like it? Did they think it was off-topic to what it was replying to, or missing the point? We'll never know. I'd like to know :) Also, I think a system like I'm proposing would make it easier to find the quality comments and threads, and avoid (if you want to) the controversial stuff, the hot-takes, the me-too comments, the pandering to the HN crowd / tropes - etc...
- 1123581321 6y ago
  To me that seems like one that will attract angry downvotes because it goes against a Google Bad narrative (not that they necessarily aren’t, or are.) I don’t think those kinds of readers are reflective enough to give good feedback. It’s difficult to discuss the particulars of many FAANG-related subjects here right now.