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"Japan and South Korea are among the few countries to issue current data on suicides" Why don't more countries do this?

nix23 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r... Maybe the writer used Bing to proof his argument.
- in_cahoots 6y ago
  The wiki article uses historical data, not 2020 numbers.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >Suicide rates by country in 2016 (per 100 000 people, age-adjusted) >List by other sources and years (1985–2018) BTW 2020 is not over, so it should be clear that those numbers are not out ATM
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
To be clear, other countries do report suicide data, just not on a month-to-month basis. There's any number of statistics that a government could spend their time compiling each month, and it's not obvious that suicide numbers should necessarily be a top priority.
DanBC 6y ago
There are complications of counting and registering death that make real time data hard to provide. When talking about suicide we have roughly 3 different definitions. 1) That used by coroners or medical examiners. This is normally a tight definition that will exclude some deaths. It's often along the lines of "the deceased ended their life and intended to do so". Sometimes that has to be proved to a high standard. (EG, in England until very recently it had to be shown "beyond all reasonable doubt"). 2) That used by national statistics organisations. These will use causes of death mentioned on death certificates and then try to code the cause of death using ICD10, and then combine these with coroners inquests. These tend to be robust and accurate, although you need to understand what coding they use and when the deaths happened. Both of these tend to have lags in. The first needs to wait for coroners to hold an inquest. The second needs to wait for all the data to be sent in and coded and compiled. The 3rd definition is much broader. It takes real time data from police, hospital, and coroners (but before an inquest has happened). It's sometimes called "real time monitoring" data. Because it uses data from coroners before inquests have happened it sometimes avoids the word suicide and uses phrases like "suspected self-inflicted deaths" instead. We use this data to in suicide prevention when looking at frequently used locations or emerging clusters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r... Maybe the writer used Bing to proof his argument.

in_cahoots 6y ago
The wiki article uses historical data, not 2020 numbers.
- nix23 6y ago
  >Suicide rates by country in 2016 (per 100 000 people, age-adjusted) >List by other sources and years (1985–2018) BTW 2020 is not over, so it should be clear that those numbers are not out ATM

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

To be clear, other countries do report suicide data, just not on a month-to-month basis. There's any number of statistics that a government could spend their time compiling each month, and it's not obvious that suicide numbers should necessarily be a top priority.

DanBC 6y ago

There are complications of counting and registering death that make real time data hard to provide. When talking about suicide we have roughly 3 different definitions. 1) That used by coroners or medical examiners. This is normally a tight definition that will exclude some deaths. It's often along the lines of "the deceased ended their life and intended to do so". Sometimes that has to be proved to a high standard. (EG, in England until very recently it had to be shown "beyond all reasonable doubt"). 2) That used by national statistics organisations. These will use causes of death mentioned on death certificates and then try to code the cause of death using ICD10, and then combine these with coroners inquests. These tend to be robust and accurate, although you need to understand what coding they use and when the deaths happened. Both of these tend to have lags in. The first needs to wait for coroners to hold an inquest. The second needs to wait for all the data to be sent in and coded and compiled. The 3rd definition is much broader. It takes real time data from police, hospital, and coroners (but before an inquest has happened). It's sometimes called "real time monitoring" data. Because it uses data from coroners before inquests have happened it sometimes avoids the word suicide and uses phrases like "suspected self-inflicted deaths" instead. We use this data to in suicide prevention when looking at frequently used locations or emerging clusters.