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I did not know, that in C64 days you had a browser, with x WebAPIs to do various networking stuff, p2p, soundAPI, database, payment processing, complex - hardwa

I did not know, that in C64 days you had a browser, with x WebAPIs to do various networking stuff, p2p, soundAPI, database, payment processing, complex - hardware accelerated styling and composite of layout, plattform irrelevant assembler subset, with a integrated IDE etc. etc. A Webbrowser these days is simply much, much more than a static document viewer, despite this might be, what you want it to be.

Donckele 6y ago
I don’t think you need all that for the important stuff.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  But other people think different of "important stuff" thats why it is there. And those who really want only simple HTMl rendering, I believe there are lightweight alternatives (?). And if not, well then maybe there is simply not enough demand, because most people apparently want to be able to have a email client in the browser and do online banking, or edit Wikipedia articles in a rich html editor, or play games, or watch videos and share and comment them or even do video editing, ... all in the browser.
  - boogies 6y ago
    > And if not, well then maybe there is simply not enough demand, because most people apparently want to be able to have a email client in the browser and do online banking, or edit Wikipedia articles in a rich html editor, or play games, or watch videos and share and comment them or even do video editing, ... all in the browser. IMO they largely just want to do all these things in an open core VM, without risking installing malware on the ridiculously insecure proprietary OS most of them use if/when they use desktop computers.
    - hutzlibu 6y ago
      Well yes and currently there is no alternative to a webbrowser which needs a lot of RAM for these tasks ... which was the main point, right? And not that we could do much better in theory. No doubt about that. But reality is the browser is usually the most pragmatic solution right now to most use cases. Which is good, when I can do online banking in a very niche project like pine, or do you think banks would port and certify their apps for the various linux distros?
amelius 6y ago
Not to mention video.
flubert 6y ago
I wonder if we could grade how much better a current system is vs something like the QNX 1.44MB demo disk. http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  Thats easy: does the qnx meets the requirement of a modern browser? No, then it is not. Or do you mean in academical sense of functionaliy per byte? How useful is that?

Donckele 6y ago

I don’t think you need all that for the important stuff.

hutzlibu 6y ago
But other people think different of "important stuff" thats why it is there. And those who really want only simple HTMl rendering, I believe there are lightweight alternatives (?). And if not, well then maybe there is simply not enough demand, because most people apparently want to be able to have a email client in the browser and do online banking, or edit Wikipedia articles in a rich html editor, or play games, or watch videos and share and comment them or even do video editing, ... all in the browser.
- boogies 6y ago
  > And if not, well then maybe there is simply not enough demand, because most people apparently want to be able to have a email client in the browser and do online banking, or edit Wikipedia articles in a rich html editor, or play games, or watch videos and share and comment them or even do video editing, ... all in the browser. IMO they largely just want to do all these things in an open core VM, without risking installing malware on the ridiculously insecure proprietary OS most of them use if/when they use desktop computers.
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    Well yes and currently there is no alternative to a webbrowser which needs a lot of RAM for these tasks ... which was the main point, right? And not that we could do much better in theory. No doubt about that. But reality is the browser is usually the most pragmatic solution right now to most use cases. Which is good, when I can do online banking in a very niche project like pine, or do you think banks would port and certify their apps for the various linux distros?

amelius 6y ago

Not to mention video.

flubert 6y ago

I wonder if we could grade how much better a current system is vs something like the QNX 1.44MB demo disk. http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html

hutzlibu 6y ago
Thats easy: does the qnx meets the requirement of a modern browser? No, then it is not. Or do you mean in academical sense of functionaliy per byte? How useful is that?