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The fact that you use the term "flesh of murdered babies" to refer to embryonic stem cells, which even the Catholic Church simply refers to as "aborted fetal ce
by lambda 6y ago
The fact that you use the term "flesh of murdered babies" to refer to embryonic stem cells, which even the Catholic Church simply refers to as "aborted fetal cell lines", indicates that you've bought way too heavily into the right-wing American culture war.
But anyhow, to answer your question despite the terrible way it was asked, no, the Moderna vaccine did not use embryonic stem cells in its development or production. Some partners, such as NIAID, did use embryonic stem cells for in-vitro testing of the vaccine: http://phillycatholiclife.org/life-affirming-choices-3/covid-19-vaccines-explained/ http://phillycatholiclife.org/life-affirming-choices-3/covid..., but the Catholic church does not consider that to make the Moderna vaccine unethical, as it's its direct development and production have never involved the use of embryonic stem cells.
- tesmar2 6y agoThese human children (embryos) are murdered through abortion and their parts are "donated" to labs for research. What a perverse incentive chain. I have no interest in what the Catholic church thinks, only in that vaccines are not produced nor are in any way associated with the flesh of murdered children. It appears the Pfizer did, and now, by association, this Moderna one has as well. What an absolute shame.
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- tesmar2 6y agoThe fact that you want to soften the impact of what happens to these children, regardless of what the Catholic church thinks, indicates that you've bought way too heavily into the prevailing liberal attitude of the day. But, thank you for confirming that the vaccine is associated in some way with harvesting the flesh of murdered children.
- yspeak 6y agohttps://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/931135270-trenthornpodcast-375-covid-19-vaccines-and-catholic-morality.mp3 https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/st... Podcast on Catholic ethics re vaccines and stem cells derived from aborted fetal remains
- tesmar2 6y agoThe pro-life position gets flagged, welcome to HN.
- dang 6y agoFlamebait and flamewar rightly get flagged. If you had something substantive and thoughtful to say on the topic, it might have been different (hard to say), but you didn't even try. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25270400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25270400.
- tesmar2 6y agoIt seems we can’t have a discussion here because you or someone else keep flagging my responses because I use the proper description of what's happening. So much for free speech.
- lambda 6y agoI have not flagged any of your posts, but remember that "free speech" means freedom from government interference with speech, not freedom from a particular community deciding that your speech is disruptive to that community. I notice looking through your comment history that you spend a lot of time discussing abortion and gun control, the two primary culture war wedge issues in American politics, and which are mostly off-topic for a technology and startup focused discussion site. I tried to answer your question in good faith, and hope that you appreciate the information, but I don't really think this is the best forum for discussing the ethics of embryonic stem cell research. I will just leave you with this article which has some good history on the anti-abortion movement in the US and how it came to be associated with the evangelical Christian movement: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-ri...