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Extra Ideas for Computing

110 points by samsquire 6y ago

samsquire 6y ago
People may remember 100 Ideas for Computing at https://github.com/samsquire/ideas https://github.com/samsquire/ideas But here's also Another 85+ Ideas for Computing https://github.com/samsquire/ideas2 https://github.com/samsquire/ideas2 This is the third item of the series.
someguy101010 6y ago
Law is absolutely not something I would like to be programmatic. The nice thing about having a human being presiding over human affairs is that they can prevent you from using exploits in the letter of the law in the spirit of the law.
- karlicoss 6y ago
  Sure, but wouldn't it be nice if you could comprehend the law without having a human (which is also really expensive to hire)? Even filing a fairly simple tax return is still a mindfield in some developed countries.
  - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
    You could also make software programmatic, because it suffers from the same problem.
    - karlicoss 6y ago
      True, but ultimately it would be a step towards democratization.
      - byecomputer 6y ago
        Nobody's stopping you from learning to read legal documents. Regardless, I wouldn't call computer code any less impenetrable than the code of law--it'd just be more up your alley if it was the former.
        pedrosorio 6y ago
        I believe the advantage of having “law as software” would not necessarily be the increased readability of the documents, but the ability to simulate outcomes / ask questions about the law and get an automated answer instead of having an expert as the bottleneck.
  - vkou 6y ago
    So, instead of needing a lawyer to comprehend the law, you'll need to be a programmer. I'm not sure this solves any of the problems you are setting out to solve. I am sure that this, however, will create a lot of new problems.
- Findeton 6y ago
  You could have programmatic contracts where the actions and considerations can be manual, but the state of the contract is automatic.
- qsort 6y ago
  You could have both (we're talking theoretically, I'm not holding my breath...): an automatic public API that answers queries, but final judgements would have to be approved by a human, sort of an automatic no-action letter. It would make public administration much more transparent while retaining a safety valve for corner cases. Slightly OT, but while I understand the notion that it's desirable to have at least some form of "do what I mean, not what I say" baked into the system, in practice exploits happen where the law is being used for political bullshit as opposed to legitimate regulation. I don't regard laws that are unclear, unenforceable or overly reliant on judicial interpretation to be serving the public good.
  - byecomputer 6y ago
    I still think the right to be seen before a judge is integral to the justice system. Automating it to the point where judges are simply rubber-stamping decisions ignores the gravity of legal proceedings and their effect on people's lives.
- thewarrior 6y ago
  Well this is what the smart contract / Ethereum folks are setting out to do. I think they will soon run into the fact that the function of the legal system is not to run through some obfuscated flow chart but to identify edge cases and resolve them by debating the original intent of the law. This is what happened during the DAO hack when they had to fork the chain because everyone agreed thats not what was supposed to happen.
  - joubert 6y ago
    Contracts, whether “smart” or not, also need a mechanism for enforcement. Legal systems and the people who run them fulfill that function; I’m skeptical you could engineer that away.
- amelius 6y ago
  > The nice thing about having a human being presiding over human affairs is that they can prevent you from using exploits in the letter of the law in the spirit of the law. You mean how large companies cannot evade the spirit of tax laws because a human will stop them from doing so?
  - generalizations 6y ago
    There's a reason the IRS has teeth. Most of the time, it's very effective.
iamgopal 6y ago
I always wanted end to end open source, down to all the machine designs that build machines.
mellosouls 6y ago
I quite like some of these and it's a nice idea to collate them, but: 45. Community Idea: Ideological match up There's somewhere someone that thinks exactly like you on all matters. Let's uses quizes and questionnaires to make them easy to find. Please, no.
- wilfredk 6y ago
  Just wanted to double down on this opinion.
- qsort 6y ago
  If you liked "Ideological match up", check out the "World splitting app".
- Fordec 6y ago
  I wouldn't like everyone to be similar in my group at all. But I'd like someone in my group to be for once.
- p1esk 6y ago
  Please yes for me. Never met anyone like that, it would be interesting.
  - sanderjd 6y ago
    What would you talk about? Neither of you have anything to learn from the other.
    - byecomputer 6y ago
      Different stuff each other have seen, places we've been, things we've done. If they already share my opinion on everything, I could save a lot of time avoiding things I wouldn't like and probably learn about new things I would like.
    - pitdicker 6y ago
      Having a discussion about things you disagree with or seeing opportunities for learning are not the only kinds of good conversations. Just a couple of ideas: Being able to work out thoughts or knowledge together with someone else is nice. A topic you are enthusiastic about is still fun to talk about with someone else enthusiastic. Work-related stuff you maybe want to discuss only with colleagues, because it is too specialized for others to talk meaningful about. And for most human stuff it is easiest to share your worries with a friend who has roughly the same values as you.
Ericson2314 6y ago
I'm not super found of this list, but > Self perpetuating desktop Nix and Guix are this (or close enough)?
- ryukafalz 6y ago
  Yeah I can only speak for Guix but it's exactly this. >This means that the desktop can build .ISOs to distribute itself. The desktop can also build any package that is available in package repositories. These are 'guix system disk-image' and 'guix build' respectively.
  - chubot 6y ago
    How is that different than say Debian? Debian's tools are kinda clunky, but I think the funny thing is that you can ONLY use Debian to build a Debian ISO. Or Debian packages even. How else would you do it ??? ----- Looking at the original suggestion, I don't think it really makes sense. Without downloading additional packages, a Linux distribution that can also run as a continuous integration server and build server. This means that the desktop can build .ISOs to distribute itself. The desktop can also build any package that is available in package repositories. Every operating system can do this, but none of them do it without downloading packages, for good reason. And "downloading packages" is vague. Windows and OS X do not come with C compilers, but Linux distros do generally. You can build many packages with a C compiler and Make, but not all. ---- Aboriginal Linux was supposed to be the smallest Linux distro that can rebuild itself: http://landley.net/aboriginal/ http://landley.net/aboriginal/ However once you add "real" functionality to it, the size of the build and their transitive dependencies explodes. Like to build a 300 MB .ISO, you'd probably need 2 or 4 GiB of tools.
    - Ericson2314 6y ago
      > Every operating system can do this, but none of them do it without downloading packages, for good reason. > And "downloading packages" is vague. I agree completely > Debian's tools are kinda clunky, but I think the funny thing is that you can ONLY use Debian to build a Debian ISO. Or Debian packages even. How else would you do it ??? So, with Nix (and probably Guix), one can configure the live CD the same way they'd configure a real installation. I think this gives us a way to improve the definition: 1. A distribution where all packages can be built from source or downloaded pre-built 2. installation media can be configured just like the regular installs 3. Customized installer media and reproduce augmented configuration packages in installations without network access Nix and Guix satisfy all 3 parts of that revised definition.
ElHacker 6y ago
> 81. Person heads up display I'm sure this is happening in about 3-5 years from now, but not in your smart phone, but in an augmented reality glasses-like device (we can probably already build demos for this on NReal or Hololens). The HUD is going to be embedded in the real world. People will be able to control what information they show in their profile. I've seen some VR social apps already doing a very basic version of this, albeit in a 100% simulated environment.
- Shared404 6y ago
  There's actually already some open source progress for this at the Eyetap project [0]. Looks like it might be dead though. [0] http://eyetap.org/ http://eyetap.org/
waynesonfire 6y ago
this is an impressive list. thank you for contributing your thoughts! I can only imagine this being an inspiration to the future generation.
macintux 6y ago
How would “Beautiful Codebases” be different from literate programming?
brundolf 6y ago
Re: #4 https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import
alexobenauer 6y ago
Would be curious to hear a bit more about: > 5. Forum powered desktop
pmontra 6y ago
Peer Naming, yes, one of the most important things to write readable and bug free code. High latency remote desktop, that would be interesting.
- rwoerz 6y ago
  High?
  - pmontra 6y ago
    Yes, high, because it's not what it looks like: https://github.com/samsquire/ideas3#20-high-latency-remote-desktop https://github.com/samsquire/ideas3#20-high-latency-remote-d...

110 points by samsquire 6y ago

People may remember 100 Ideas for Computing at https://github.com/samsquire/ideas https://github.com/samsquire/ideas But here's also Another 85+ Ideas for Computing https://github.com/samsquire/ideas2 https://github.com/samsquire/ideas2 This is the third item of the series.

someguy101010 6y ago

Law is absolutely not something I would like to be programmatic. The nice thing about having a human being presiding over human affairs is that they can prevent you from using exploits in the letter of the law in the spirit of the law.

karlicoss 6y ago
Sure, but wouldn't it be nice if you could comprehend the law without having a human (which is also really expensive to hire)? Even filing a fairly simple tax return is still a mindfield in some developed countries.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  You could also make software programmatic, because it suffers from the same problem.
  - karlicoss 6y ago
    True, but ultimately it would be a step towards democratization.
    - byecomputer 6y ago
      Nobody's stopping you from learning to read legal documents. Regardless, I wouldn't call computer code any less impenetrable than the code of law--it'd just be more up your alley if it was the former.
      - pedrosorio 6y ago
        I believe the advantage of having “law as software” would not necessarily be the increased readability of the documents, but the ability to simulate outcomes / ask questions about the law and get an automated answer instead of having an expert as the bottleneck.
- vkou 6y ago
  So, instead of needing a lawyer to comprehend the law, you'll need to be a programmer. I'm not sure this solves any of the problems you are setting out to solve. I am sure that this, however, will create a lot of new problems.
Findeton 6y ago
You could have programmatic contracts where the actions and considerations can be manual, but the state of the contract is automatic.
qsort 6y ago
You could have both (we're talking theoretically, I'm not holding my breath...): an automatic public API that answers queries, but final judgements would have to be approved by a human, sort of an automatic no-action letter. It would make public administration much more transparent while retaining a safety valve for corner cases. Slightly OT, but while I understand the notion that it's desirable to have at least some form of "do what I mean, not what I say" baked into the system, in practice exploits happen where the law is being used for political bullshit as opposed to legitimate regulation. I don't regard laws that are unclear, unenforceable or overly reliant on judicial interpretation to be serving the public good.
- byecomputer 6y ago
  I still think the right to be seen before a judge is integral to the justice system. Automating it to the point where judges are simply rubber-stamping decisions ignores the gravity of legal proceedings and their effect on people's lives.
thewarrior 6y ago
Well this is what the smart contract / Ethereum folks are setting out to do. I think they will soon run into the fact that the function of the legal system is not to run through some obfuscated flow chart but to identify edge cases and resolve them by debating the original intent of the law. This is what happened during the DAO hack when they had to fork the chain because everyone agreed thats not what was supposed to happen.
- joubert 6y ago
  Contracts, whether “smart” or not, also need a mechanism for enforcement. Legal systems and the people who run them fulfill that function; I’m skeptical you could engineer that away.
amelius 6y ago
> The nice thing about having a human being presiding over human affairs is that they can prevent you from using exploits in the letter of the law in the spirit of the law. You mean how large companies cannot evade the spirit of tax laws because a human will stop them from doing so?
- generalizations 6y ago
  There's a reason the IRS has teeth. Most of the time, it's very effective.

iamgopal 6y ago

I always wanted end to end open source, down to all the machine designs that build machines.

mellosouls 6y ago

I quite like some of these and it's a nice idea to collate them, but: 45. Community Idea: Ideological match up There's somewhere someone that thinks exactly like you on all matters. Let's uses quizes and questionnaires to make them easy to find. Please, no.

wilfredk 6y ago
Just wanted to double down on this opinion.
qsort 6y ago
If you liked "Ideological match up", check out the "World splitting app".
Fordec 6y ago
I wouldn't like everyone to be similar in my group at all. But I'd like someone in my group to be for once.
p1esk 6y ago
Please yes for me. Never met anyone like that, it would be interesting.
- sanderjd 6y ago
  What would you talk about? Neither of you have anything to learn from the other.
  - byecomputer 6y ago
    Different stuff each other have seen, places we've been, things we've done. If they already share my opinion on everything, I could save a lot of time avoiding things I wouldn't like and probably learn about new things I would like.
  - pitdicker 6y ago
    Having a discussion about things you disagree with or seeing opportunities for learning are not the only kinds of good conversations. Just a couple of ideas: Being able to work out thoughts or knowledge together with someone else is nice. A topic you are enthusiastic about is still fun to talk about with someone else enthusiastic. Work-related stuff you maybe want to discuss only with colleagues, because it is too specialized for others to talk meaningful about. And for most human stuff it is easiest to share your worries with a friend who has roughly the same values as you.

Ericson2314 6y ago

I'm not super found of this list, but > Self perpetuating desktop Nix and Guix are this (or close enough)?

ryukafalz 6y ago
Yeah I can only speak for Guix but it's exactly this. >This means that the desktop can build .ISOs to distribute itself. The desktop can also build any package that is available in package repositories. These are 'guix system disk-image' and 'guix build' respectively.
- chubot 6y ago
  How is that different than say Debian? Debian's tools are kinda clunky, but I think the funny thing is that you can ONLY use Debian to build a Debian ISO. Or Debian packages even. How else would you do it ??? ----- Looking at the original suggestion, I don't think it really makes sense. Without downloading additional packages, a Linux distribution that can also run as a continuous integration server and build server. This means that the desktop can build .ISOs to distribute itself. The desktop can also build any package that is available in package repositories. Every operating system can do this, but none of them do it without downloading packages, for good reason. And "downloading packages" is vague. Windows and OS X do not come with C compilers, but Linux distros do generally. You can build many packages with a C compiler and Make, but not all. ---- Aboriginal Linux was supposed to be the smallest Linux distro that can rebuild itself: http://landley.net/aboriginal/ http://landley.net/aboriginal/ However once you add "real" functionality to it, the size of the build and their transitive dependencies explodes. Like to build a 300 MB .ISO, you'd probably need 2 or 4 GiB of tools.
  - Ericson2314 6y ago
    > Every operating system can do this, but none of them do it without downloading packages, for good reason. > And "downloading packages" is vague. I agree completely > Debian's tools are kinda clunky, but I think the funny thing is that you can ONLY use Debian to build a Debian ISO. Or Debian packages even. How else would you do it ??? So, with Nix (and probably Guix), one can configure the live CD the same way they'd configure a real installation. I think this gives us a way to improve the definition: 1. A distribution where all packages can be built from source or downloaded pre-built 2. installation media can be configured just like the regular installs 3. Customized installer media and reproduce augmented configuration packages in installations without network access Nix and Guix satisfy all 3 parts of that revised definition.

ElHacker 6y ago

> 81. Person heads up display I'm sure this is happening in about 3-5 years from now, but not in your smart phone, but in an augmented reality glasses-like device (we can probably already build demos for this on NReal or Hololens). The HUD is going to be embedded in the real world. People will be able to control what information they show in their profile. I've seen some VR social apps already doing a very basic version of this, albeit in a 100% simulated environment.

Shared404 6y ago
There's actually already some open source progress for this at the Eyetap project [0]. Looks like it might be dead though. [0] http://eyetap.org/ http://eyetap.org/

waynesonfire 6y ago

this is an impressive list. thank you for contributing your thoughts! I can only imagine this being an inspiration to the future generation.

macintux 6y ago

How would “Beautiful Codebases” be different from literate programming?

brundolf 6y ago

Re: #4 https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import

alexobenauer 6y ago

Would be curious to hear a bit more about: > 5. Forum powered desktop

pmontra 6y ago

Peer Naming, yes, one of the most important things to write readable and bug free code. High latency remote desktop, that would be interesting.

rwoerz 6y ago
High?
- pmontra 6y ago
  Yes, high, because it's not what it looks like: https://github.com/samsquire/ideas3#20-high-latency-remote-desktop https://github.com/samsquire/ideas3#20-high-latency-remote-d...