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I can understand this level of pearl-clutching when we’re talking about social media, but I just don’t see Apple as the five-alarm fire it’s made out to be. Pr

by RONROC 6y ago

I can understand this level of pearl-clutching when we’re talking about social media, but I just don’t see Apple as the five-alarm fire it’s made out to be. Practically speaking being “locked” into a system would only be a possibility in a world where highly distributed, massively supported OS’s (Windows, Linux) didn’t exist. Anti-apple people have a hard time fathoming the degree to which many other “power users” are okay with privacy/security trade offs if it results in a more robust/stable environment that just works. Problem is, it’s being framed as some sort of Faustian bargain when it’s really not that big of a deal.

skulk 6y ago
> that just works Until it doesn't. I can open my Thinkpad (W530) and replace parts in it that die. Can you say the same for your Macbook? Are you okay with a future where everyone follows Apple's example because it generates more profits, where right-to-repair is a thing of the past? I know that sounds alarmist, but it's definitely the trajectory I see.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  When I have parts in my MacBook Air die, I guess I'll find out. It's 10 years old now and doesn't show any sign of breakage. I'm pretty sure it's paid itself off several times over. Since the new Air lacks even a fan, it seems even less likely to need service.
  - skulk 6y ago
    This reads like: "I guess I'll find out whether my privacy is being respected when I actually have something to hide."
- pixel_fcker 6y ago
  People that buy MacBooks don’t care, or at least they don’t care enough to buy something else. As to your second point, MacBooks have been available for how long now? And yet thinkpads still exist.
  - skulk 6y ago
    > And yet thinkpads still exist The X1 Carbon doesn't have upgradeable RAM. On some level, I'm convinced that Lenovo wants to follow in Apple's footsteps and is testing the waters with the X1 Carbon series.
    - noisy_boy 6y ago
      X1 extreme does; both RAM and SSD can be upgraded
- wulfklaue 6y ago
  The EU is introducing legal laws that will combat planned obsolescence. And that protect the right to repair. The EU is also fed up with manufactures thinking they can get away with everything. Those laws will also have a effect across the world because its easier to design on product that applies to the strictest laws, then two products. So yea, Apple their gravy train is going to run into a massive road block. In the US states are also starting to rectify laws that push the right to repair. Its one of the reasons why Apple "suddenly" allows repair shops to buy parts. As a way to change the narrative. Of course that buying parts has "issues" Apple style. A grifter is going to grift.

by RONROC 6y ago

skulk 6y ago

> that just works Until it doesn't. I can open my Thinkpad (W530) and replace parts in it that die. Can you say the same for your Macbook? Are you okay with a future where everyone follows Apple's example because it generates more profits, where right-to-repair is a thing of the past? I know that sounds alarmist, but it's definitely the trajectory I see.

ogre_codes 6y ago
When I have parts in my MacBook Air die, I guess I'll find out. It's 10 years old now and doesn't show any sign of breakage. I'm pretty sure it's paid itself off several times over. Since the new Air lacks even a fan, it seems even less likely to need service.
- skulk 6y ago
  This reads like: "I guess I'll find out whether my privacy is being respected when I actually have something to hide."
pixel_fcker 6y ago
People that buy MacBooks don’t care, or at least they don’t care enough to buy something else. As to your second point, MacBooks have been available for how long now? And yet thinkpads still exist.
- skulk 6y ago
  > And yet thinkpads still exist The X1 Carbon doesn't have upgradeable RAM. On some level, I'm convinced that Lenovo wants to follow in Apple's footsteps and is testing the waters with the X1 Carbon series.
  - noisy_boy 6y ago
    X1 extreme does; both RAM and SSD can be upgraded
wulfklaue 6y ago
The EU is introducing legal laws that will combat planned obsolescence. And that protect the right to repair. The EU is also fed up with manufactures thinking they can get away with everything. Those laws will also have a effect across the world because its easier to design on product that applies to the strictest laws, then two products. So yea, Apple their gravy train is going to run into a massive road block. In the US states are also starting to rectify laws that push the right to repair. Its one of the reasons why Apple "suddenly" allows repair shops to buy parts. As a way to change the narrative. Of course that buying parts has "issues" Apple style. A grifter is going to grift.