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I wish I worked around people that used emacs so I could pick some of it up by watching them and asking small dumb questions. It seems so cool, but the decades

I wish I worked around people that used emacs so I could pick some of it up by watching them and asking small dumb questions. It seems so cool, but the decades of history make it daunting to get started on your own.

submeta 6y ago
r/emacs is a wonderful community. Also, many young people are picking it up and starting youtube channels, demonstrating beautifully how to use it. Magnar Sveen has done many excellent videos (http://emacsrocks.com/ http://emacsrocks.com/). Also, Protesilaos Stavrou on Youtube: Wonderful videos, albeit a little academic for some (but I like it a lot). Also, System Crafters on youtube: From basic to sophisticated videos. Emacs (with its beautiful language `Lisp`) is a tool that will be with you for the rest of your life. I have seen many many tools come and go, but Emacs (just like Lisp) has the potential to be around in many decades. So it's well worth investing time in it.
- dec0dedab0de 6y ago
  Ive been trying, it's just that it seems like there are hundreds of things that can take 10 minutes or 10 weeks to research and learn, if you can even find out about them. I just wish I had people in my daily life who could give me answers like "oh that's easy just do this" or "yeah this thing rules but buckle up it's gonna take some time to get down".
  - bloopernova 6y ago
    message me on reddit, vale_fallacia. I'll be that person for you :)
    - NhanH 6y ago
      Not the GP, but I will take up that offer if you don't mind! :)
      - bloopernova 6y ago
        Absolutely! I hope I am able to help you out.
  - crankyoldcrank 6y ago
    #emacs on Freenode is full of those people, including the author of the talk in the article. Friendly fellow. It's really one of the best IRC channels left.
- stephen_cagle 6y ago
  Wow, that Protesilaos Stavrou guy has just so many interesting things on his web site. Gets me excited to just read about all the different cool projects and technologies.
  - submeta 6y ago
    He seems to be a thinker and philosopher who uses Emacs extensively to write and organize his thougts, and he is willing to share his learnings in excellently made videos. Btw: He seems to be an excellent Lisp hacker as well.
zupatol 6y ago
A good way to get started might be with a curated emacs configuration like doom emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs
mkl95 6y ago
Emacs flexibility means it's as daunting as you want it to be. I taught myself the basics years ago and ever since it has completely changed the way I view programming. Lately I'm mostly using it for ad-hoc text processing with macros, but I would love to use it as my Python / C++ IDE again some day.
- wiz21c 6y ago
  I use python-lsp... No that bad. Still have to figure out how to turn off the PEP 8 code style warnings because there are too many of them (I prefer to clean the code style after having working code). It's not as good as PyCharm though, but nice for a start, and rather stable.
  - hirple 6y ago
    Curious what you prefer about PyCharm over emacs + LSP. I'm a pretty poor PyCharm power-user, so wondering what I"m missing.
    - simiones 6y ago
      PyCharm, like most IntelliJ IDEs, has excellent refactoring capabilities, much better than what LSP currently offers. E.g. extract method, extract class, advanced navigation like "data flow to here" etc They may not work in extremely dynamic Python code (e.g. they will obviously not work past an `exec`).
      - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        This is the biggest flaw in LSP (for Python at least), right now. How difficult is it to implement basic extract function/method functionality? I'd be tempted to try doing it, as I would absolutely love to have this in Emacs.
        hirple 6y ago
        I'd be happy to help here too, let me know. I can try to hack some elisp together tomorrow. Looks like rope would be a decent place to start.

submeta 6y ago

r/emacs is a wonderful community. Also, many young people are picking it up and starting youtube channels, demonstrating beautifully how to use it. Magnar Sveen has done many excellent videos (http://emacsrocks.com/ http://emacsrocks.com/). Also, Protesilaos Stavrou on Youtube: Wonderful videos, albeit a little academic for some (but I like it a lot). Also, System Crafters on youtube: From basic to sophisticated videos. Emacs (with its beautiful language `Lisp`) is a tool that will be with you for the rest of your life. I have seen many many tools come and go, but Emacs (just like Lisp) has the potential to be around in many decades. So it's well worth investing time in it.

dec0dedab0de 6y ago
Ive been trying, it's just that it seems like there are hundreds of things that can take 10 minutes or 10 weeks to research and learn, if you can even find out about them. I just wish I had people in my daily life who could give me answers like "oh that's easy just do this" or "yeah this thing rules but buckle up it's gonna take some time to get down".
- bloopernova 6y ago
  message me on reddit, vale_fallacia. I'll be that person for you :)
  - NhanH 6y ago
    Not the GP, but I will take up that offer if you don't mind! :)
    - bloopernova 6y ago
      Absolutely! I hope I am able to help you out.
- crankyoldcrank 6y ago
  #emacs on Freenode is full of those people, including the author of the talk in the article. Friendly fellow. It's really one of the best IRC channels left.
stephen_cagle 6y ago
Wow, that Protesilaos Stavrou guy has just so many interesting things on his web site. Gets me excited to just read about all the different cool projects and technologies.
- submeta 6y ago
  He seems to be a thinker and philosopher who uses Emacs extensively to write and organize his thougts, and he is willing to share his learnings in excellently made videos. Btw: He seems to be an excellent Lisp hacker as well.

zupatol 6y ago

A good way to get started might be with a curated emacs configuration like doom emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs

mkl95 6y ago

Emacs flexibility means it's as daunting as you want it to be. I taught myself the basics years ago and ever since it has completely changed the way I view programming. Lately I'm mostly using it for ad-hoc text processing with macros, but I would love to use it as my Python / C++ IDE again some day.

wiz21c 6y ago
I use python-lsp... No that bad. Still have to figure out how to turn off the PEP 8 code style warnings because there are too many of them (I prefer to clean the code style after having working code). It's not as good as PyCharm though, but nice for a start, and rather stable.
- hirple 6y ago
  Curious what you prefer about PyCharm over emacs + LSP. I'm a pretty poor PyCharm power-user, so wondering what I"m missing.
  - simiones 6y ago
    PyCharm, like most IntelliJ IDEs, has excellent refactoring capabilities, much better than what LSP currently offers. E.g. extract method, extract class, advanced navigation like "data flow to here" etc They may not work in extremely dynamic Python code (e.g. they will obviously not work past an `exec`).
    - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
      This is the biggest flaw in LSP (for Python at least), right now. How difficult is it to implement basic extract function/method functionality? I'd be tempted to try doing it, as I would absolutely love to have this in Emacs.
      - hirple 6y ago
        I'd be happy to help here too, let me know. I can try to hack some elisp together tomorrow. Looks like rope would be a decent place to start.