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I work at AWS now and can second that. Nobody is happy when things break, but COEs are looked a positively and are circulated constantly to prevent repeats.
by stevepotter 6y ago
I work at AWS now and can second that. Nobody is happy when things break, but COEs are looked a positively and are circulated constantly to prevent repeats.
- MadVikingGod 6y agoNot at AWS, retail Amazon, but what I saw was COEs were either normal business process or PIP material depending on which org you worked for. And sometimes just the excuse to get you gone. Where I was about 99.9% of the COEs where just a lesson learned and new process to prevent it. There was one that was basically used as a tool to remove a VERY good engineer, that didn't mesh well with new leadership. A sister org, one I worked a lot with, wouldn't COE anything. If you were the lead engineer on a product or service that had a COE you were going to get a PIP by year end review. I wasn't surprised when all the talent left that group.
- kdmytro 6y agoWhat is PIP?
- whoknew1122 6y agoPerformance Improvement Plan. Basically 'this is what you need to improve if you want to keep working here.' Lots of people bad at their jobs blame the PIP system for their failure at Amazon.
- parthdesai 6y agoMost likely, Performance Improvement Plan
- one2know 6y agoAmazon fires between 5-15% of engineers per year. PIP is to get you to quit. Amazon hires a TON of entry level SDE 1 engineers to sacrifice at the altar of Bezos so more shitty employees get to stay. Lifespan of a SDE 1 whipping boy/girl at Amazon, as a result is 3-6 months.
- mikeryan 6y agoPerformance Improvement Plan, they are not unique to Amazon, most places have them though the process may differ. Not to be too cynical but ultimately they’re a way to document that you’re not meeting expectations - before being fired. Should there be any sort of employment claim later its a mechanism by which an employer can show documentation that any issues related to your being let go were performance related and not some sort of protected status or prejudice. Outside of someone protected by a labor union, I’ve very rarely seen anyone recover from a PIP and not be eventually let go. Most commonly employees see them as a 30 or 60 day window to proactively find a new job before they’re terminated.
- Aeolun 6y agoI think the reason they don’t work is because someone doesn’t just magically become a better employee over two months.
- bcrosby95 6y agoI think that's a bit simplistic. I've had coworkers that became better employees over time. The "problem" with PIPs is by the time you've screwed up long enough to be put on a PIP everyone knows there's no turning back. For example, a friend I have that recently left Facebook knew for a good 6 months he needed to shape up. But they hadn't put him on a PIP in that time. They eventually offered him a decent severance to quit, and he took that rather than continuing to try. If he stayed, he probably would have been put on a PIP fairly shortly. It was the best thing for everyone. He wasn't all that happy there anyways.
- ufmace 6y agoPerformance Improvement Plan. In theory, it sounds like a plan to fix your supposedly inadequate performance. In practice, like 99% of the time it means somebody decided to fire you for some reason before you have even seen the first one, and they're just creating documentation for why they fired you to head off HR requirements and any future complaints. They'll run you through a few rounds of supposedly evaluating your improvements as inadequate and eventually fire you, unless you quit first.
- smithza 6y agoPIP : Performance Improvement Plan I assume this to mean that it is an element of an individual's PIP, a formal process to set guides for getting someone to commit to a higher level of achievement.
- LegitShady 6y agoWhile on its face PIP is a guide to getting someone to commit to a higher level of improvement, for many companies its a formal warning that you need to shape up or you're going to be let go.
- owenmarshall 6y ago> for many companies its a formal warning that you need to shape up or you're going to be let go. Patently incorrect. A PIP is management telling you that you need to seek alternative employment, now. Joking/sarcasm aside: I’ve never seen or heard someone who is placed on a PIP successfully “exit” the PIP. They exit the company or they’re exited from the company. PIPs seem to mark the start of the “we are building formal documentation to fire you” phase of losing a job.
- LegitShady 6y agoya i agree.
- jschwartzi 6y agoI got PIP'ed and actually fixed the problem I had and resolved the PIP. The problem was that I would mis-ship items sometimes in a warehouse. I figured out that I couldn't reliably read some of the product labels, so I went to go get an eye exam. Apparently I had 20/100 vision in one eye due to astigmatism. Getting glasses meant that I quit fucking up, so they dropped the PIP and moved me into another part of the company. I guess I'm the poster child for having vision insurance as a company benefit.
- jugg1es 6y ago