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Another fun fact about this system: something changed in how the binaries are evaluated and one VST plugins I've downloaded months ago was marked as malware. Th

• pacifika 6y ago
  It's been good practice for a long time to "freeze" or "render" the tracks out after the song is finished so that the song can be loaded without the plugins.
  • wintermutestwin 6y ago
    True, but this shouldn't be necessary in response to anti-consumer behavior.
    • dkonofalski 6y ago
      This is not anti-consumer behavior. Consumers are, overall, protected when they can verify the source of an application or extension on their computers. Their freedom may be limited but it's not a black-and-white "this is anti-consumer".
      • cma 6y ago
        Some signatures are invalidated due to business disputes on entirely different platforms (Epic dispute on iOS, signatures invalidated, or threatened to be before court order prevented it, on OS X, for no security reason).
        • dkonofalski 6y ago
          Epic violated the Terms of Use for their developer agreement which applies to all platforms. They knew that and they violated it willingly. The court order only prevented it temporarily to reduce the damages that may be incurred and until a determination was made in the initial case. That is not anti-consumer.
          • exoji2e 6y ago
            Well even if Epic are the bad guys by violating the ToU willingly, it still impacts the user. As a user I don't want my apps (which I depend on) to stop working, because of a business disagreement. Revoking signatures and disabling the apps on user devices to protect your business model is definitely anti-consumer in my book. You could easily see Apple revoking signatures because of DMCA claims. Even faulty ones, like the claim RIAA made against youtube-dl on GitHub.
            • dkonofalski 6y ago
              Of course it impacts the user... And if Epic was found doing something illegal and was shut down or bankrupted, that would also impact the user. Your over-simplification that it's a "business disagreement" is disingenuous and incomplete. The signature revocation system you're claiming is simply to "protect their business model" is the same system that allows Apple to immediately shut down any malware that makes its way into the App Store inadvertently. It's the same system that's been used in the past to protect users from private key leaks. The only anti-consumer behavior in your situation came from Epic who knowingly violated the rules as a PR stunt.
              • zapzupnz 6y ago
                > The only anti-consumer behavior in your situation came from Epic who knowingly violated the rules as a PR stunt. Exactly. Never forget, it was Epic who threw their users under the bus, not Apple. Epic expected you to be a soldier in their fight. They expected you to make a sacrifice you were not willing to make. That's entirely on Epic.
  • 8bitsrule 6y ago
    That's often done for producing a static performance and mix for distribution. But when returning to a digital musical work months or years later, oftentimes the idea is to improve or otherwise rework it ... just as live bands do constantly. A non-working essential plug-in (filter, synth, VCO, whatever) might make that much more difficult. One of the biggest headaches in computer music-making is how much time fighting the tech takes away from the creative process. Noone needs their OS to be adding to their distress. Let alone switching serial-port designs every few years (obsoleting trusted and often expensive equipment).
• blub 6y ago
  I assume you upgraded OS, in which case it's annoying but not unusual that plugins stop working. A machine that's used for making professional music should not be upgraded or connected to the internet. If it's for a hobby... I think we will have to live with the compromise if we want to have the latest security fixes and connect to the internet.
  • 8bitsrule 6y ago
    >should not be upgraded Most DAW-makers are constantly upgrading their software. And they often obsolete their older versions to get in sync with new OS's. 'Keeping the old stuff' sometimes isn't an option. Physical instruments keep working for decades ... but thanks to OS upgrades, valued digital hardware and/or software instruments (say by Opcode or Native) can be lost to stupid or cavalier changes. Anyone who's been making 'professional music' for long has been bitten many times.
    • blub 6y ago
      Yes they are obviously upgrading their software because they need to make money and adding features and fixing bugs is a great way to do that. The only solution to not having a broken music workstation is to never connect that machine to the internet and never update it. Physical instruments keep working for decades because...they are never connected to the internet and never updated.
      • heja2009 6y ago
        Completely agree, except I'd say physical electronic instruments have a lifetime of about 20-30 years now. Several synths I own are now non- or half-working because of fading displays, broken floppy drives, power supplies and even chips going bad. The relentless churn of music computer software and hardware setups has also existed since the 80s. I guess it is probably worse for photo & video production.
• skuthus 6y ago
  >I don't want to worry about whether my music will work five or ten years from now This is exactly what Apple has already done to the iTunes world, music you had a decade ago is suddenly inaccessible
  • acdha 6y ago
    Do you have an example of this?
  • tpush 6y ago
    > [...] music you had a decade ago is suddenly inaccessible Music bought via iTunes doesn't have any DRM since 2009.
    • santraginean 6y ago
      But even without DRM, if you go with the default settings and don't download your music locally, you lose access to it if they decide to remove it from their catalog. Same goes for movies/TV shows; I've had both disappear from my iTunes library at various points.
  • lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    What is this referring to? Mine seems to work fine.