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People have been making these comments for years. Every new macOS release. Except here we are and things are the same. I run whatever I want. Here’s to having

by cwhiz 6y ago

People have been making these comments for years. Every new macOS release. Except here we are and things are the same. I run whatever I want. Here’s to having this same silly “argument” in 2021.

matwood 6y ago
Agreed. At this point the argument is nearing joke/meme level.
- selykg 6y ago
  It's popular to hate on Apple right now. Seems even Hacker News isn't immune to this trend.
  - freehunter 6y ago
    HN has the ability to hate on literally everything. This forum is by far the most negative social platform I’m a member of. There’s rarely a positive word spoken about any article, and if the article isn’t worth negative comments we’ll find something else to hate, like the presentation of the website or the fonts or colors used.
    - jason0597 6y ago
      It's easy to be against something. It's hard to be for something.
    - aksss 6y ago
      I like to think of HN as contrarian, not negative. Techies are cynical by nature because the promise and reality of technology are perpetually so far apart. And if your actual job in life is to anticipate where the problems are going to surface in technology, well... the longer you live with that, you develop commensurate expectations and compensatory mental models.
NateEag 6y ago
I just got a new MBP this summer from my workplace, running Catalina. Getting it to run software not approved by Apple is a pain. They may always leave a door open somewhere, but I wouldn't want to count on that.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  What software are you having trouble getting installed? I've never had issues with getting things from inside or outside the App Store working. Usually it's just dragging the App into the Applications folder and answering a prompt. Sometimes there is an installer. (or I use Home-brew) Maybe you are trying to install something from a developer who doesn't sign their code or doesn't have an Apple Developer ID? I'm curious what that might be.
  - NateEag 6y ago
    Yes, it's unsigned software. Several of my virtualenvs are broken on Catalina - apparently the binaries installed by my requirements.txt are not signed for use in Catalina. I had to accept an amount number of dialog boxes by hand to make that work. There have been others, too, beyond the virtualenvs, which I do not remember offhand.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      FWIW, wasn't trying to harpoon you there. I haven't done much Python dev in a while, but I can see this being an issue.
intricatedetail 6y ago
Its just that the frog is being boiled quite slowly. Apple every year is doing tiny little steps towards full control what customer can run on "their" computer and people instead of trying to stop them in their tracks, they defend them. It's bizarre and funny at the same time. Then if few years people will be crying they cannot publish software without being robbed and we will say "I told you so".

by cwhiz 6y ago

matwood 6y ago

Agreed. At this point the argument is nearing joke/meme level.

selykg 6y ago
It's popular to hate on Apple right now. Seems even Hacker News isn't immune to this trend.
- freehunter 6y ago
  HN has the ability to hate on literally everything. This forum is by far the most negative social platform I’m a member of. There’s rarely a positive word spoken about any article, and if the article isn’t worth negative comments we’ll find something else to hate, like the presentation of the website or the fonts or colors used.
  - jason0597 6y ago
    It's easy to be against something. It's hard to be for something.
  - aksss 6y ago
    I like to think of HN as contrarian, not negative. Techies are cynical by nature because the promise and reality of technology are perpetually so far apart. And if your actual job in life is to anticipate where the problems are going to surface in technology, well... the longer you live with that, you develop commensurate expectations and compensatory mental models.

NateEag 6y ago

I just got a new MBP this summer from my workplace, running Catalina. Getting it to run software not approved by Apple is a pain. They may always leave a door open somewhere, but I wouldn't want to count on that.

ogre_codes 6y ago
What software are you having trouble getting installed? I've never had issues with getting things from inside or outside the App Store working. Usually it's just dragging the App into the Applications folder and answering a prompt. Sometimes there is an installer. (or I use Home-brew) Maybe you are trying to install something from a developer who doesn't sign their code or doesn't have an Apple Developer ID? I'm curious what that might be.
- NateEag 6y ago
  Yes, it's unsigned software. Several of my virtualenvs are broken on Catalina - apparently the binaries installed by my requirements.txt are not signed for use in Catalina. I had to accept an amount number of dialog boxes by hand to make that work. There have been others, too, beyond the virtualenvs, which I do not remember offhand.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    FWIW, wasn't trying to harpoon you there. I haven't done much Python dev in a while, but I can see this being an issue.

intricatedetail 6y ago

Its just that the frog is being boiled quite slowly. Apple every year is doing tiny little steps towards full control what customer can run on "their" computer and people instead of trying to stop them in their tracks, they defend them. It's bizarre and funny at the same time. Then if few years people will be crying they cannot publish software without being robbed and we will say "I told you so".