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Any country that tries to pull back from the rest of the world will suffer in comparison. Well, China has greatly benefited from doing exactly that. They great

Any country that tries to pull back from the rest of the world will suffer in comparison. Well, China has greatly benefited from doing exactly that. They greatly regulate and control foreign influence while they exert their influence every where they can. India is a big rival and they have been funding everything from the Naxalites (the underground Indian communist organization) to mainstream parties, organizations, media, universities... whatever they can which gives them political advantage.

mulmen 6y ago
Sure, that's actually a very good point with regard to the CCP's great firewall in the context of economic prosperity. It remains to be seen how well that works long term. I wouldn't ask for the same treatment myself.
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  Regardless of what certain individuals want, ignoring inevitable outcomes don't fare well for them. For example, like Yuval Noah Harari mentions in Sapiens, agriculture was not necessarily good for individuals. But since it allowed long term storage of food (in the form of grains), it allowed for stable habitats which grew into cities and nation states. There were still tribal people for a long time (there still are) who didn't adopt the technology but they were increasingly at the mercy of those on the other side. We've seen the same with other technologies, like powerful weapons in the last centuries. I think, in the new information age, we're headed to a similar trajectory with this new set of propaganda methods and defenses. Those who don't incorporate these new technologies into their systems will be at the mercy of those who do.
SiempreViernes 6y ago
China doesn't have a isolation strategy, they have a control strategy: foreigners that follow their rules are very welcome, as opposed to simply banned from visiting. Its strange to call a country with a clearl export focus "isolationist".
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  I don't think we disagree. Isolation is an essential part of it. If they didn't have isolation to begin with, they wouldn't be able to control anything.
  - SiempreViernes 6y ago
    I guess I don't understand what meaning you put into "isolation" then.
newswasboring 6y ago
two things here 1. Just because they did it and were successful doesn't mean everyone who does it will be successful. They did a thousand other things which will never happen in India. Like being a technocratic society which punishes corruption quite publicly. 2. Just because they were successful doesn't mean that is the only way to do it.
dirtyid 6y ago
India's new NGO legislation is a page straight from Beijing. Same with banning Chinese apps and pushing back on FAANG. It's a step in the right direction, hopefully an indigenous ecosystem will pop up in the coming years, but India's problem has always been execution. Still, this is a good time to push - India can and does get away with murder now to thanks new geopolitical realignments. China had to wait much longer before conditions were relatively favourable.

mulmen 6y ago

Sure, that's actually a very good point with regard to the CCP's great firewall in the context of economic prosperity. It remains to be seen how well that works long term. I wouldn't ask for the same treatment myself.

AntiImperialist 6y ago
Regardless of what certain individuals want, ignoring inevitable outcomes don't fare well for them. For example, like Yuval Noah Harari mentions in Sapiens, agriculture was not necessarily good for individuals. But since it allowed long term storage of food (in the form of grains), it allowed for stable habitats which grew into cities and nation states. There were still tribal people for a long time (there still are) who didn't adopt the technology but they were increasingly at the mercy of those on the other side. We've seen the same with other technologies, like powerful weapons in the last centuries. I think, in the new information age, we're headed to a similar trajectory with this new set of propaganda methods and defenses. Those who don't incorporate these new technologies into their systems will be at the mercy of those who do.

SiempreViernes 6y ago

China doesn't have a isolation strategy, they have a control strategy: foreigners that follow their rules are very welcome, as opposed to simply banned from visiting. Its strange to call a country with a clearl export focus "isolationist".

AntiImperialist 6y ago
I don't think we disagree. Isolation is an essential part of it. If they didn't have isolation to begin with, they wouldn't be able to control anything.
- SiempreViernes 6y ago
  I guess I don't understand what meaning you put into "isolation" then.

newswasboring 6y ago

two things here 1. Just because they did it and were successful doesn't mean everyone who does it will be successful. They did a thousand other things which will never happen in India. Like being a technocratic society which punishes corruption quite publicly. 2. Just because they were successful doesn't mean that is the only way to do it.

dirtyid 6y ago

India's new NGO legislation is a page straight from Beijing. Same with banning Chinese apps and pushing back on FAANG. It's a step in the right direction, hopefully an indigenous ecosystem will pop up in the coming years, but India's problem has always been execution. Still, this is a good time to push - India can and does get away with murder now to thanks new geopolitical realignments. China had to wait much longer before conditions were relatively favourable.