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OkCupid themselves have written about it. Asian males are hit the hardest by the asymmetry of interest.

nickff 6y ago
I believe the blog was taken down, but there are a few copies of it online, and the author (Christian Rudder) published "Dataclysm", which contains many of the same insights.
- bruceb 6y ago
  Should take findings with grain of salt. I asked Rudder at a conference if he normalized the results, he said he did not on that blog post. Didn't account for education level, kids, etc. Which may (or may not) had an effect on the results.
  - dublidu 6y ago
    I’m sure Asians had the highest education and lowest number of kids and previous marriages, so if anything, normalized data would show Asian males are completely screwed. Normalized height would be interesting, and could explain some of the bias.
    - bruceb 6y ago
      Normalizing the data might indeed show that Asian males do even "worse" in online dating. But how dismissive Rudder was of the need to normalize that data was surprising and a bit disturbing as some many people take what is presented as fact and possibly draw incorrect conclusions. I would not be surprised if normalizing for height did account for some of it, but the data should be available so outside people can run their own tests. (and half jokingly, as someone who wears glasses, normalizing for that as well). As for education and kids, I can see how that can explain the difference between Asian women and Black women's response rate. But again, need a real examination of the data. It is a very touchy subject, which is unfortunately plagued by both uninformed people and also those who just want to cause pain to to others.
ghaff 6y ago
OkCupid had a handful of really interesting blog posts back in the day using data from their service.
parliament32 6y ago
Here it is: https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattract...
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
That sounds exploitable, in an arbitrage kind of way. If I were single, female, non-asian, and wanting to attract a guy who was above my level socially or financially, my best bet might be to go for asian males.
- vmception 6y ago
  That happens, and is so few and far between that most of the other males would not notice. The woman interested in doing that also has men of other races to choose from and the same preferential hierarchy plays out, let alone the numbers.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    If I'm a woman who's a 6, and I'm trying to get a man who's an 8, why do I care if the other males notice? And, sure I have other races to choose from, but if I do, I'm going to get a man who's a 6.
    - vmception 6y ago
      I don't know what point you are trying to make. I said everything that was relevant. If your numbering system introduced only now in this reply is regarding physical attractiveness, then women don't have this issue in their own race. The point is that this doesn't help asian men because it barely makes a dent in the pool of asian men that would ever be exposed to a women with this predilection, as her pool is so much larger and also includes asian men. Even if her pool only included asian men in this strategy, from the perspective of the men, nothing has changed because the odds they will be exposed to it are slim. My reply is only about the men's UX, not your "arbitrage" from the woman's UX.
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        If you look at it only from the man's perspective, then it may not make much difference. If you look at it from the woman's, though, it may make a difference to her. If you can't look at it from her point of view, I don't know how to make my statements make any sense to you.
naveen99 6y ago
Statistics on interracial marriage on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_Un... Indian Americans are an exception to this asymmetry according to wikipedia.

I believe the blog was taken down, but there are a few copies of it online, and the author (Christian Rudder) published "Dataclysm", which contains many of the same insights.

bruceb 6y ago
Should take findings with grain of salt. I asked Rudder at a conference if he normalized the results, he said he did not on that blog post. Didn't account for education level, kids, etc. Which may (or may not) had an effect on the results.
- dublidu 6y ago
  I’m sure Asians had the highest education and lowest number of kids and previous marriages, so if anything, normalized data would show Asian males are completely screwed. Normalized height would be interesting, and could explain some of the bias.
  - bruceb 6y ago
    Normalizing the data might indeed show that Asian males do even "worse" in online dating. But how dismissive Rudder was of the need to normalize that data was surprising and a bit disturbing as some many people take what is presented as fact and possibly draw incorrect conclusions. I would not be surprised if normalizing for height did account for some of it, but the data should be available so outside people can run their own tests. (and half jokingly, as someone who wears glasses, normalizing for that as well). As for education and kids, I can see how that can explain the difference between Asian women and Black women's response rate. But again, need a real examination of the data. It is a very touchy subject, which is unfortunately plagued by both uninformed people and also those who just want to cause pain to to others.

ghaff 6y ago

OkCupid had a handful of really interesting blog posts back in the day using data from their service.

parliament32 6y ago

Here it is: https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattract...

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

That sounds exploitable, in an arbitrage kind of way. If I were single, female, non-asian, and wanting to attract a guy who was above my level socially or financially, my best bet might be to go for asian males.

vmception 6y ago
That happens, and is so few and far between that most of the other males would not notice. The woman interested in doing that also has men of other races to choose from and the same preferential hierarchy plays out, let alone the numbers.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  If I'm a woman who's a 6, and I'm trying to get a man who's an 8, why do I care if the other males notice? And, sure I have other races to choose from, but if I do, I'm going to get a man who's a 6.
  - vmception 6y ago
    I don't know what point you are trying to make. I said everything that was relevant. If your numbering system introduced only now in this reply is regarding physical attractiveness, then women don't have this issue in their own race. The point is that this doesn't help asian men because it barely makes a dent in the pool of asian men that would ever be exposed to a women with this predilection, as her pool is so much larger and also includes asian men. Even if her pool only included asian men in this strategy, from the perspective of the men, nothing has changed because the odds they will be exposed to it are slim. My reply is only about the men's UX, not your "arbitrage" from the woman's UX.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      If you look at it only from the man's perspective, then it may not make much difference. If you look at it from the woman's, though, it may make a difference to her. If you can't look at it from her point of view, I don't know how to make my statements make any sense to you.

naveen99 6y ago

Statistics on interracial marriage on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_Un... Indian Americans are an exception to this asymmetry according to wikipedia.