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Scaleway Stardust Instances
- othercharles 6y agoPrice/perf of this is hidden by the tiny slice of hardware you get. Equivalent to my Hetzner machine would be 116 Euro/mo. before accounting for the 10x higher peak bandwidth, 2x capacity dedicated NVMe, 4TB of magnetic storage and 100GB of backup space I get for 60 Euro/mo. I have no idea what "1 vCPU" means in this context but severely doubt it even means "1 hyperthread", unless the physical hardware were something like dual 16 core or single 32 core chips. Definite pass
- rualca 6y ago> I have no idea what "1 vCPU" means in this context but severely doubt it even means "1 hyperthread" (...) I don't believe anyone looking into this sort of offering is expecting even or looking for "1 hyperthread". Hell, obviously they aren't looking for performance. I mean, they are marketing this as a node to test scaleway's services and put up small websites. I'm sure that performance-minded customers are planning to run anything performant on a 1vCPU instance with 1GB of RAM.
- gallexme 6y agoWeird price /performance comparison with hetzner, their cheapest is 2.89€ scaleway is 1.8€, hetzner offers double ram and storage and 1+gbit internet (in my experience usually 2.5gbit)
- tiernano 6y agoIs it not per of the cpu?
- gallexme 6y agoIdont know, the "independent" benchmark site doesn't really work on mobile, n most links go to some kind of broken login Form But ime scaleway had slower cpu crunching Power and web requests per second than similar hetzner cloud machines, and online. net(parent company) always had routing problems to me which couldn't be resolved in timely manners (1gbit dedicated server only 100mbit arrived at my place)
- spurgu 6y agoI had issues so many times with Scaleway where it took insanely long to reboot a server, seemingly getting stuck on some network provisioning, so I ended up ditching them altogether. Might use these boxes for some testing or throwaway stuff though. Currently happy with DO and Hetzner, and increasingly so with the latter. But Hetzner's lack of firewall is a bit annoying, esp. when using Docker (which interferes with iptables).
- stustustu 6y agoThere is a firewall right? it is just off by default.
- stustustu 6y agoright I was thinking of Konsole
- gallexme 6y ago> But Hetzner's lack of firewall the cloud offering doesnt has any which is controllable with the webinterface,but the machines are still firewall protected(mostly for ddos/abuse), but i would just use a firewall vm as entry point and keep the production machines in a private network u could also use the dedicated servers firewall(the Konsole for dedicated servers has firewall rules in the webinterface, u can attach vswitches to cloud instances)
- tiernano 6y agoNice price for a small vm... If.my math are correct, €1.86 per month (744hours). Not bad...
- spurgu 6y agoA month is 365.25/12=30.4375 days on average, disregarding leap seconds.
- tiernano 6y agoSome providers use 720 (30 days) hours, some 744 (31days), I have even seen one doing 672 (28 days)...
- miyuru 6y agoi haven't able to measure the difference yet due to incomplete bill this month, but removing the IPv4 address can save upto €1
- tyingq 6y agoI suppose I know where the next wave of vulnerability scans is coming from now.
- mike_d 6y agoI have used Scaleway in the past for scanning the internet, and I can say their abuse department is better than most providers. They wanted to know what I was doing and why when someone complained.
- Youden 6y agoSome comparisons of the entry-level offerings at a few providers: - Stardust, 0.0025€/h: 1 vCPU, 1GB RAM, 10GB disk, unlimited 100Mbps network - Hetzner, 0.004€/h: 1 vCPU, 2GB RAM, 20GB disk, 20TB 10Gbps network - Azure, 0.005$/h: 1vCPU, 0.5GB RAM, 4GiB disk, per-byte network - Amazon Lightsail, ~0.005$/h: 1vCPU, 0.5GB RAM, 20GB disk, 1TB ???bps network - Amazon Lightsail, ~0.007$/h: 1vCPU, 1GB RAM, 40GB disk, 2TB ???bps network - DigitalOcean, $0.007/h: 1vCPU, 1GB RAM, 25GB disk, 1TB ???bps network - OVH, 0.008€/h: 1vCPU, 2GB RAM, 10GB disk, unlimited 100Mbps network - GCP, 0.009$/h: 0.2vCPU, 0.6GB RAM, no disk, per-byte network I suppose the big question is how well the CPU performs. Their "price/performance" graph naturally makes them look quite good but it has some issues. The biggest one is that the methodology is entirely missing but there are some smaller clear issues like comparing to Amazon's C6g instance (which costs 13x as much) instead of the price-comparable Lightsail instances.
- rektide 6y agoI haven't used it much lately but LunaNode is a smaller player but with a very solid service offering, with attachable storage &c &c. Their small m1s instances are $3.5/month or 0.0045$/hr. 1GB ram, 15GB storage, bandwidth is a little harder to understand exactly but "1TB". No affiliation but they've been around & had good low price tiers for a while now, easy to use, worked great, all with APIs for on demand. I think it's all openstack based? Maybe? Love to see. Lot of great "lowendbox" providers these days. And some not so great ones! Few offer the array of services you expect from a cloud provider (attachable storage, networking, ipv6, &c). Great to see folks who do! These days I'm mainly on by-thr-month boxes but I appreciate having some short-term load providers I respect & trust. https://www.lunanode.com/pricing https://www.lunanode.com/pricing
- rualca 6y ago> Their small m1s instances are $3.5/month or 0.0045$/hr. 1GB ram, 15GB storage, bandwidth is a little harder to understand exactly but "1TB". Doesn't Hetzner offer a cheaper instance with double the RAM?
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- tmikaeld 6y agoSeems like a way to upsell their other offerings, one foot inside the door.
- sabalaba 6y agoIt looks interesting. Sounds like they're going to be charging for an entire year of service up front or at least as part of an annual contract, which makes sense. (See: "Stardust will only be the beginning in a year-long partnership.") So this will be 21.99 euros ($26.04 USD) for the year. I wonder if this is an x86 instance or if it's ARM. Pricing would make a lot of sense if it was ARM.
- ac29 6y agoAccording to the blog post "every service, feature and scenario currently provided via its DEV1-S instances will also be available on Stardust Instances" [0]. The DEV1-S is an AMD Epyc and the technical specs match up as well. So, that seems most likely. [0] https://blog.scaleway.com/a-star-is-born-as-scaleway-launches-stardust-the-worlds-most-cost-effective-cloud-instance/ https://blog.scaleway.com/a-star-is-born-as-scaleway-launche...
- mikmak 6y agohmm nope, you are billed per the hour and that's just it ;) no pre-charging at all architecture is x86_64
- ve55 6y agoI've used Scaleway for several projects across many years, personal experience for those interested: Pros: - often free/unmetered bandwidth - very useful for some projects - relatively cheap prices - low downtime in general - decent support ticket response times Cons: - CPU is generally rather slow, very noticeable compared to mainstream providers like AWS, GC, etc - little selection of some parameters such as location (only Paris, Amsertdam, Warsaw) - have had some issues with stopping/starting instances being absurdly slow due to how they move the entire disk around in the past I think they're a decent choice for side projects that are intended to run at a low cost scale, since the unmetered bandwidth can add up to a lot of savings compared to some competitors (they don't lie about unmetered either - I used to have a $4/month instance that sometimes used >10TB/month, and they never complained), but I likely wouldn't use them for a serious or high-growth startup.
- dspillett 6y ago> have had some issues with stopping/starting instances being absurdly slow due to how they move the entire disk around in the past That is not unusual on other cloud providers too. It is a opimisation they must choose: keep the vdisks close to the CPU(s) that will be running the VM but have the expense of moving it around to put it in the right place on startup, or let the vdisk be hosted anywhere in the network so startup is almost instant but IO performance suffers while running. Most, though presumably not all, choose to optimise for better performace in active use.
- ve55 6y agoYeah, that seems about right, thank you. But also when I meant 'slow', some times I would wait hours for a disk that was ~200GB, which seemed far beyond what is reasonably expected. It may have been an isolated instance and not the general case there, since my new ones are all much more reasonable now.
- tormeh 6y agoTook a look at Cloud Mercato reports for compute, and the tl;dr is that Hetzner is so much better value than anything else that it's not even funny. And if you have to use one of the big three, use GCP.
- Aeolun 6y agoOr use AWS, which is much better in my experience (and not Google). But yeah, don’t use either. Just go for Hetzner if you know what you are doing.
- nisa 6y agoOracle Cloud had a free tier that's quite good, if you only need something to tinker.
- puzzlingcaptcha 6y agoThe 100Mbps bandwidth cap is not great, but at least it is not 50Mbps like on the Oracle Cloud free instances (which they do not mention anywhere and customer support will play games with you just not to admit it).
- latch 6y agoAssuming you can sustain this, that's 33TB/month, or 33x more than the [more expensive] AWS lightsail. It might not be _the best_, but for the price, how is that anything but great? What's a case where you want to (and more importantly can) burst more than that, but only for a very short time, on such hardware?
- jsjohnst 6y ago> Assuming you can sustain this, that's 33TB/month That’s missing the point. Most folks don’t fully saturate the pipe ~2.6M seconds a month, but it’s trivially easy to max out a 100Mbps pipe for bursts.
- kristianpaul 6y agoI wonder how this compares to the GCP always free compute instance offering
- nikolay 6y agoAll good, but they have the most expensive Kubernetes service for small projects!
- londons_explore 6y agoAm I reading this right that there will only be two instances available to begin with? If so, this is more like a promotional giveaway than a real service. They should have simply said "two lucky customers will be given a tiny VM for almost free".
- yl1971 6y agotwo instances per account
- Hamuko 6y agoOne thing to worry about is how long this will actually be available. Scaleway has a shitty history of discontinuing products and pushing the migration work for you. One example of this is C14. Even though they advertised it as a long-term archiving solution, they gave the product a 5-month discontinuation period after which they just delete your data. If you wanted to start using their new storage solution, you had to do the migration work by hand and then ask them to refund you so that they don't invoice you twice.
- foolmeonce 6y agoYeah, I decided it was easier to migrate to another company once. They seem to have the problem that they had a much larger more expensive dedicated box network and need to switch to a modern setup while not only not losing income but gaining for custom cloud design. Being the customer of a custom cloud has tragic enough costs without paying extra for its build out.
- Harvesterify 6y agoExcept that it has been out of stock for several weeks now, in the Paris region... :(
- wut42 6y agoGreat, but please note that they probably will raise the prices by 25%-100% in a couple of months. Scaleway's business model is to attract devs and sysadmins by selling cheap, then raise.
- kemessy 6y agoNew batch of Stardust instances are now available in Paris and Amsterdam, if you want to give it a try !
- 2Gkashmiri 6y agoi want to know how some providers can advertise "unmetered bandwidth" meaning they don't even log your limits as opposed to "unlimited" which might have an asterisk and many just don't and only provide 1TB or 2TB and the like. at the scale, does bandwidth cost them or what? if the costs of such are significant, what would the costs be to someone like youtube?
- Harvesterify 6y agoFor information, a `cat /proc/cpuinfo` indicates that the instance is running on a AMD EPYC 7281 processor, which has a 2.1GHz base frequency, and a 2.7GHz Turbo freq (https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7281 https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7281)
- emptysongglass 6y agoBut can it run k8s? Haven't been able to get k8s (in any micro flavor) up on any 1 gb VPS yet.