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Vegetarian and vegan diets and risks of total and site-specific fractures
- rfdonnelly 6y agoOne take on this study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyGZW8Ml9l0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyGZW8Ml9l0 A few points: * It is a legitimate unbiased study * Need to consider the database used. It follows people starting in the 90s. A lot has changed with respect to vegan diets since then. * Consuming sufficient calcium shows no additional risk in fractures * More body weight (e.g. overweight) makes bones stronger which reduces risk of fractures
- copperx 6y agoProbably one can simulate overweight by doing weight training?
- throwaway189262 6y agoYes. There's even evidence that doing weight training when you're a young adult increases bone strength permanently
- throwaway189262 6y agoI think it's strange how vegan diets are marketed as "healthy". Humans have evolved to need protein in their diet. Until modern times, a vegan diet meant death. Just because it's possible now with various meat substitutes doesn't mean it's healthy
- PZ81JUXJE7uJ 6y agoWhat? Have you ever heard of soy, beans, lentils, chickpeas or the huge variety of seeds? You don't need meat to get your protein, as many eastern folks have proofed over many many years.
- throwaway189262 6y agoExactly, this huge variety of non-meat protein sources is new. As recent as 100 years ago you ate whatever you could get ahold of. And that always included some meat if you didn't want to die. Many of these new sources don't have complete protein profile needed to be healthy.
- mcntsh 6y ago[citation needed]
- throwaway189262 6y agoLook at amino acid profile of these foods. Many of them do not provide "complete" protein. As in, they're missing some building blocks the human body can't fabricate. It's possible to have a healthy vegan diet but it's a lot of work because you have to look at what amino acids and various nutrients are missing. It's much easier to just add meat to your diet. And anecdotally, a lot of vegans buy the "healthy" marketing and don't even pay attention to things like amino acid profiles. Which is unhealthy and frankly dangerous
- mcntsh 6y agoAgain you're making all kinds of claims without any proof. Citation needed! All of these beans include all amino acids. They may not have 100% of your RDI in one serving, but they have them: 1. Black Beans: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173735/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173735/wt1/1... 2. Kidney Beans: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173740/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173740/wt1/1... 3. Chickpeas: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173757/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173757/wt1/1... 4. Hemp Seeds: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170148/wt9/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170148/wt9/1... 5. Beans/Rice/Corn together: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/175200-169998-168875/wt1-wt1-wt1/1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/175200-16999... 6. Toast w/ flax and peanut butter: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/174294-169414-174914/wt1-wt9-wt2/1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/174294-16941... And that's just scratching the surface. EDIT: Here's what I just had for breakfast: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170554-170187-169414-173905/wt1-wt6-wt9-wt1/1-1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170554-17018...
- mcntsh 6y agoYou don't need "meat substitutes" to eat a well-balanced, vegan diet. Chickpeas are more calorie/protean dense than chicken and beef, for example.
- 1_player 6y agoAnd full of phytates which impair absorption of minerals. There's much more to food than just macronutrients. Vegan diets work great until you get IBS, which unfortunately affects more and more people with no discernible cause. Meat, so reviled these days, doesn't.
- mcntsh 6y agoTo be honest with you, I don't have much to say on the topic of phytates. However, anecdotally, I went vegan after suffering from digestive issues for years, and the diet combined with a healthy amount of fermented foods has made a night-and-day improvement to my digestive health.
- 1_player 6y agoAnd anecdotally I went full carnivore after suffering from IBS, and my digestion and mental health improved immesurably. Any kind of pulse, grain or seed noticeable worsens my IBS and digestion. YMMV.
- mcntsh 6y agoI think it's worth getting to the bottom of, without anecdotes. Meat consumption in the modern day is not only an ethical concern, but a major environmental concern as well.