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Why the heck is this still legal anyway? Bosses should not be allowed to spy on people. If I actually fail to do the job in time repeatedly - ok, go ahead and f
by qwerty456127 6y ago
Why the heck is this still legal anyway? Bosses should not be allowed to spy on people. If I actually fail to do the job in time repeatedly - ok, go ahead and fire me, that would be fair (I won't even resist if I see that's even partially my fault), but don't freaking spy!
Anyway, I would prefer to be unaware I'm being watched - I get kind of paralyzed with anxiety and can't think when somebody's watching over my shoulder and I know they do.
- pmoriarty 6y ago"Why the heck is this still legal anyway?" Because the bosses run the world, as people seem to like being bossed around.
- qwerty456127 6y agoWorkers have achieved a huge lot in outlawing things bosses wanted throughout the history. I would love to participate in a fight against this one if people would organize. Another thing to fight against are requirements to explain resume gaps and discrimination against people who have them and people already seem starting to raise against this.[1] The society still has a lot of work to do... [1] https://www.boredpanda.com/annoying-job-interview-questions-resume-gaps/ https://www.boredpanda.com/annoying-job-interview-questions-...
- thesuitonym 6y agoJoin the IWW and start organizing your workplace!
- raxxorrax 6y agoDevelopers are sometimes part of it. We have a lot of security companies where FUD means higher sales. They pay well though.
- woahAcademia 6y agoGo ahead start your own company. I tried a few times. I'll gladly be bossed around for 8 hours when I make this much money..
- laboroflaw 6y agoNo, capital runs the world. The people who have little don't want to risk losing it and the people who have a lot have no reason to risk losing it.
- ardy42 6y ago> No, capital runs the world. The people who have little don't want to risk losing it and the people who have a lot have no reason to risk losing it. The 401k was a really clever trick. I wonder if it was intentional.
- 0goel0 6y agoBosses pay for lobbyists that fight regulation to keep shit like this in check
- jononor 6y agoI am pretty sure that the individual-level data would be illegal to collect on employees in Norway under labor law. According to the linked Twitter stream, author says it would be illegal in Germany and Austria. Probably for many other European countries as well.
- gbil 6y agoSure it is illegal in Germany or at least the Workers' council needs to approve it :) But in other countries the laws are different. Managing a VPN solution you can't imagine how easy it is to get a data protection officer in the US approve a manager request for remote working data of an employee, reasoning being "to check if he worked from home as he told me and not from another place"
- rootsudo 6y agoDifferent tenants per geographic regions have different standards.
- kevindong 6y agoWhy would it be illegal? The employee is doing work for a employer on a platform provided by the employer.
- petre 6y agoBecause then less people would want to be employed and would rather stay on unemployment benefits burdening the state and the other employers? Or maybe because slavery was abolished 200 years ago? I knew a guy who worked night shifts because he wasn't getting notoced by the shift supervisors when he went out for a smoke. There were less shift supervisors on night shifts.
- laboroflaw 6y agoBecause being an employer doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want to an employee.
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- baah 6y agothose metrics are so useless it probably doesn't even count as spying. but seriously totally get how you feel.. it's been my first few months with an IT-managed laptop, and even with the creepier stuff off (hurray european laws) i'm nowhere near used to it
- qwerty456127 6y agoI know employee surveillance is useless, that's obvious, but that hardly really matters to the person being watched.
- vaccinator 6y agosome track how long you stay in the bathroom using the RFID badge that they gave you
- ThrowawayR2 6y agoNFC RFID badges have a range of 10-20 cm. Unless an employer is requiring badging in and out of the bathroom or is using UHF RFID badges (is there even such a thing?), your assertion is unlikely to be true.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoLeaving and re-entering your office, buzzing the locks on the way?
- ThrowawayR2 6y agoAlthough it's plausible, I would think that offices with a layout that requires badging out to reach an external restroom are rare. Seems as if there would be fire or disaster evacuation concerns.
- freeone3000 6y agoThe face recognition cameras catch you on the way out, the camera catches you on the way back in.
- GekkePrutser 6y agoNot really, in case of a fire alarm all doors unlock anyway. When I was a consultant I visited many offices where I needed a badge to go to the loo. It's really common in shared office buildings, the toilets tend to be in the elevator hall outside the badge perimeter. Don't think they were monitoring it though.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y agoMy building has the toilets in the fire escape stairs which you can push button out to but badge back in from. You would have some difficulty measuring time since you don't know who pushed the button but you could certainly measure frequency.
- Aunche 6y agoFor certain jobs like in finance, compliance has to spy on people to check they aren't manipulating the market.