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It all started with great firewall of china, didn't it ? The segregation of internet for political purposes has been there for number of years. (aka. china bloc

It all started with great firewall of china, didn't it ? The segregation of internet for political purposes has been there for number of years. (aka. china blocks FB,Google and wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma... ). rest of the world is catching up to their playbook

AntiImperialist 6y ago
Agree! In these games, you only need one player who plays foul and the rules have to be changed for everyone. Having said that, The Great Firewall is the best thing CCP has done to protect itself, by a long shot. Had it not done so, China would be, at best, full of riots and uprisings and protests everywhere as foreign interests mobilized locals to act against the CCP using anti-CCP propaganda in their social media.
- ericjang 6y ago
  are you sure that would happen? Make no mistake, I get that Western powers do have cultural and economic agendas (McDonald republics and such). But if you look at Japan and South Korea, they didn't really have significant protests or any "installed leaders".
  - AntiImperialist 6y ago
    Japan has had installed leaders since the WWII. The occupying army is still there. South Korea has had installed leaders since the Korean War.
    - NikolaeVarius 6y ago
      Hah what? The US hated Shinzo Abe for the longest damn time, didn't stop him from being re-elected multiple times. Also, its not appropriate to call the forces still in Japan an "occupying army". There is a joint forces treaty in place, and Japan has multiple times refused to amend Article 9 of their constitution In South Korea, they've deposed the previous President. Seems like the US is doing a bad job installing leaders there.
      - AntiImperialist 6y ago
        Yes, there are forces which are fighting to kick out the occupying forces and there are forces keeping them in check. Long gone are the days of occupying forces marching and parading. It's shadow governments and pawns now.
  - narism 6y ago
    What? The US basically wrote the Japanese constitution and Syngman Rhee was elected largely based on the backing of occupation forces.
    - edogg 6y ago
      Is that a bad thing? Seems like Japan is a pretty nice place to live.
  - vvwvvwvvw 6y ago
    The Japanese was not projected to be big enough of a population to be a threat to the US.
- dkural 6y ago
  Anti-CCP propaganda like rule of law, free elections, not having a dictator run the country, right to clean air and clean water. That propaganda sounds extremely dangerous to the first-degree relatives of CCP becoming billionaires off the working masses. I live in a western city, full of 18 year old students driving Porsche's, whose parents are in the CCP. Every time I see that, I feel bad for the peasants in the countryside toiling away in the countryside.
Pick-A-Hill2019 6y ago
In my opinion it started earlier than that and began with the Five Eyes hoovering up data. This lead to the realization of 'huh, if we can do it to others, others might be able to do it to us'.

AntiImperialist 6y ago

Agree! In these games, you only need one player who plays foul and the rules have to be changed for everyone. Having said that, The Great Firewall is the best thing CCP has done to protect itself, by a long shot. Had it not done so, China would be, at best, full of riots and uprisings and protests everywhere as foreign interests mobilized locals to act against the CCP using anti-CCP propaganda in their social media.

ericjang 6y ago
are you sure that would happen? Make no mistake, I get that Western powers do have cultural and economic agendas (McDonald republics and such). But if you look at Japan and South Korea, they didn't really have significant protests or any "installed leaders".
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  Japan has had installed leaders since the WWII. The occupying army is still there. South Korea has had installed leaders since the Korean War.
  - NikolaeVarius 6y ago
    Hah what? The US hated Shinzo Abe for the longest damn time, didn't stop him from being re-elected multiple times. Also, its not appropriate to call the forces still in Japan an "occupying army". There is a joint forces treaty in place, and Japan has multiple times refused to amend Article 9 of their constitution In South Korea, they've deposed the previous President. Seems like the US is doing a bad job installing leaders there.
    - AntiImperialist 6y ago
      Yes, there are forces which are fighting to kick out the occupying forces and there are forces keeping them in check. Long gone are the days of occupying forces marching and parading. It's shadow governments and pawns now.
- narism 6y ago
  What? The US basically wrote the Japanese constitution and Syngman Rhee was elected largely based on the backing of occupation forces.
  - edogg 6y ago
    Is that a bad thing? Seems like Japan is a pretty nice place to live.
- vvwvvwvvw 6y ago
  The Japanese was not projected to be big enough of a population to be a threat to the US.
dkural 6y ago
Anti-CCP propaganda like rule of law, free elections, not having a dictator run the country, right to clean air and clean water. That propaganda sounds extremely dangerous to the first-degree relatives of CCP becoming billionaires off the working masses. I live in a western city, full of 18 year old students driving Porsche's, whose parents are in the CCP. Every time I see that, I feel bad for the peasants in the countryside toiling away in the countryside.

Pick-A-Hill2019 6y ago

In my opinion it started earlier than that and began with the Five Eyes hoovering up data. This lead to the realization of 'huh, if we can do it to others, others might be able to do it to us'.