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Why do Apple employees need to carry concealed weapons?
by RachelF 6y ago
Why do Apple employees need to carry concealed weapons?
- ciarannolan 6y agoI assume these are high-level security personnel at Apple HQ. It doesn't seem unreasonable to have armed security at a place like that. > A grand jury alleges that Thomas Moyer promised to donate 200 iPads worth $70,000 to the Santa Clara Sheriff’s Office in exchange for four concealed firearm licenses for Apple employees. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/11/23/apple-exec-indicted-for-allegedly-trying-to-bribe-santa-clara-sheriffs-officers-with-ipads/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/11/23/apple-...
- acomjean 6y agoI worked at a defense contractor. We didn't have security guards that were armed. It was hard to get into the facility, but still.
- 15155 6y agoDid the CEO of that defense contractor ever come around? He probably had a protection team, as do most individuals in similar circumstances. Cook, Zuckerberg, et al. have private armed security.
- acomjean 6y agoI think he came around once for a talk, but I didn't notice anything. I forget his name actually. Generally they kept the higher ups away from us in a different location. The Defense industry isn't particularly flashy.
- tshaddox 6y agoBut why concealed?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoConcealed is the only option. California doesn't allow sheriffs to issue open carry licenses except in low-population rural counties.
- tshaddox 6y agoIn public, yes, but presumably that doesn’t apply to security guards on Apple property.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoTrue. I guess I don't know why they'd need a license at all to do that, since I think Apple can allow people to carry within its own buildings however they'd like.
- pageandrew 6y agoI imagine Apple's security team was interested in procuring CCW permits for use beyond Apple's property. Probably for executive security and things along those lines. You're right that carry permits are not required on private property.
- ggreer 6y agoIn California, you cannot carry concealed except on your own property or on the property of a business you own.[1] Employees cannot carry concealed even if they have permission from the employer. 1. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=25605.&lawCode=PEN https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
- radicaldreamer 6y agoI'm sure there are some legitimate reasons (like responding to a workplace shooter) but I imagine a lot more likely is intimidation...
- txsoftwaredev 6y agoIt would be illegal to intimidate a person with a firearm.
- 15155 6y agoReally? A concealed carry permit issued subject to a background check is useful for intimidation? Why not just intimidate without a permit (which wouldn't somehow make things less illegal)?
- acallaghan 6y agoI mean, why does anyone
- mef 6y agoTo protect executives and other high value staff
- radicaldreamer 6y agoI think the contractors who do that already have ccw permits (they're typically specialist contractors not employed by the company itself, like Gavin de Becker and Associates)
- jlawer 6y agoApple have been known to take services in house.... Why not security?
- svrb 6y agoSo... There's no need to issue ccw permits for people to perform their job because people who need ccw permits for their job already have them? That is brilliant reasoning; you must work for the government.
- radicaldreamer 6y agoThat's not what I said though...
- jlawer 6y agoI would assume executive protection, in case some crazy tries to fix the "covid causing 5G iphones" by assassinating Tim Cook or such.
- zucker42 6y agoI don't see anything that indicates his desire to carry a weapon has anything to do with the fact he is an Apple employee. Some people like to carry concealed weapons for protection.
- paxys 6y agoYou know, except the part where it is clearly stated in the article: > Santa Clara County alleges that Mr Sung held back issuing concealed weapons permits to Apple's security team, until Mr Moyer agreed to donate $70,000 worth of iPads to the sheriff's office.
- dharmab 6y ago> Santa Clara County alleges that Mr Sung held back issuing concealed weapons permits to Apple's security team, until Mr Moyer agreed to donate $70,000 worth of iPads to the sheriff's office.
- zucker42 6y agoOops, I did not read carefully enough.
- dharmab 6y ago> Santa Clara County alleges that Mr Sung held back issuing concealed weapons permits to Apple's security team, until Mr Moyer agreed to donate $70,000 worth of iPads to the sheriff's office. Armed security is common at datacenters, for example.
- jeffbee 6y agoNobody needs a permit to carry a weapon on private property, even in California.
- rmk 6y agoHow about when going to the private property, e.g., via a highway? I assume permits are needed for that?
- kmonsen 6y agoBut you don't need it to be concealed at that point right? Non concealed license is not hard to get in CA (I beleive). Edit: Reading up, you can only transport firearms in CA loaded if you have CCW. And loaded weapons is kind of needed to protect VIPs.
- jeffbee 6y agoOnly if you insist on carrying it on your person. Otherwise you can carry a weapon, unloaded, in a locked case, in the trunk without a permit.
- tshaddox 6y agoArmed security generally doesn’t carry firearms concealed.
- beervirus 6y agoWhy do we need freedom of speech? Why do you care about privacy unless you have something to hide?