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Holy shit! I hoped no one ever mentions it again. Corporate would have complete shitshow if they figured out who gave access. There is a reason they don't even

by yardie 6y ago

Holy shit! I hoped no one ever mentions it again. Corporate would have complete shitshow if they figured out who gave access. There is a reason they don't even allow non-working crew back there and crew safety is the #1. Could you imagine the shitshow if any passenger got back there and assaulted one of the crew.

tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
My guess is nobody from the crew was planning to use the crew rest for the 5 hour flight?
- yardie 6y ago
  Either the crew director didn't know or they didn't care but letting anyone into the crew rest area 100% get's you fired in most airlines. Airlines already have enough problems with passengers fornicating in the lavatory, if they knew there was a dark, secluded room with beds aboard just adds a whole other layer of liability.
  - markdown 6y ago
    Aside from smoking or something that requires a flight attendant to clean up a mess after, how exactly is what goes on in the lavatory a problem?
    - rtkwe 6y ago
      It ties up the lavatory which is a pretty limited resource on a large long flight for one.
      - dotancohen 6y ago
        For another, it they're doing it right (not just for a checkmark on a list) then there is a non-insignificant chance of being heard. That makes other passengers uncomfortable.
Scoundreller 6y ago
> Could you imagine the shitshow if any passenger got back there and assaulted one of the crew. Uhhhh, shouldn’t whatever safeguards are in place protect against that, whether there are trusted randos in there or not? Or do you mean non-rest crew (even jumpseaters) need to stay on the floor to protect the working crew?
gregoriol 6y ago
I guess it's probably not that much about assault (it would be anyway only for "trusted" people like spouse of crew, member of the airline?), but could probably be more about dealing with flight procedures: how do you handle turbulences while in there, how do you handle an emergency, wake up before landing, ... Flight attendants will be busy in the main area in those situations and it would be difficult to take care about non-trained passengers in those spaces (small space, small stairs, ...). It seems for example that they have special breathing equipment there, maybe not like in the seated area: you'd have to know how to use it...
vl 6y ago
You just don’t understand how things really work at the rest of the world. Yes, corporate would be mildly unhappy, but they know that it happens all the time. Notice that they got on the plane on “stand-by” without available seats in the first place! So while technically it was against regulations, things like this happen all the time in less regulated countries.
- bobthepanda 6y ago
  While the event took place with a Spanish company, are European-wide regulators not more stringent?
  - SllX 6y ago
    You’re still depending on Spain to enforce them. There’s a big difference between American Federal law where the Feds are in charge of enforcing Federal law and the States are in charge of enforcing their own laws; and Pan-EU laws where a law is really an agreement to pass a bunch of laws by the member nations who then enforce them using whatever enforcement mechanisms they have. By passing the agreement as laws through their own legislatures, they in effect become a part of each member nation’s national laws. As far as I know there’s no EU FBI/DEA and the closest agency to it is more like Interpol. See also the kerfuffle between Apple, Ireland and the EU where the EU went after both Apple and Ireland to get the Irish to enforce some European agreement that may or may not have prohibited whatever Irish tax regime was (is?) in place.
    - lutoma 6y ago
      > Pan-EU laws where a law is really an agreement to pass a bunch of laws by the member nations who then enforce them using whatever enforcement mechanisms they have. By passing the agreement as laws through their own legislatures, they in effect become a part of each member nation’s national laws These types of EU laws are called EU directives, which as you described first need to be "transcribed" into national law by the respective parliaments. As a result they don't go into into force in all member states at the same time, and there is some more leeway concerning their implementation. However, there are also EU regulations, which are immediately binding in all member states in their original form as soon as they are passed by the EU, much like US federal laws. It is true though that even for EU regulations, the EU generally does not have their own enforcement capability and so there can still be differences from state to state on how strictly regulations are interpreted. The GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) is an example of the latter kind of law, btw.
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by yardie 6y ago

tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago

My guess is nobody from the crew was planning to use the crew rest for the 5 hour flight?

yardie 6y ago
Either the crew director didn't know or they didn't care but letting anyone into the crew rest area 100% get's you fired in most airlines. Airlines already have enough problems with passengers fornicating in the lavatory, if they knew there was a dark, secluded room with beds aboard just adds a whole other layer of liability.
- markdown 6y ago
  Aside from smoking or something that requires a flight attendant to clean up a mess after, how exactly is what goes on in the lavatory a problem?
  - rtkwe 6y ago
    It ties up the lavatory which is a pretty limited resource on a large long flight for one.
    - dotancohen 6y ago
      For another, it they're doing it right (not just for a checkmark on a list) then there is a non-insignificant chance of being heard. That makes other passengers uncomfortable.

Scoundreller 6y ago

> Could you imagine the shitshow if any passenger got back there and assaulted one of the crew. Uhhhh, shouldn’t whatever safeguards are in place protect against that, whether there are trusted randos in there or not? Or do you mean non-rest crew (even jumpseaters) need to stay on the floor to protect the working crew?

gregoriol 6y ago

I guess it's probably not that much about assault (it would be anyway only for "trusted" people like spouse of crew, member of the airline?), but could probably be more about dealing with flight procedures: how do you handle turbulences while in there, how do you handle an emergency, wake up before landing, ... Flight attendants will be busy in the main area in those situations and it would be difficult to take care about non-trained passengers in those spaces (small space, small stairs, ...). It seems for example that they have special breathing equipment there, maybe not like in the seated area: you'd have to know how to use it...

vl 6y ago

You just don’t understand how things really work at the rest of the world. Yes, corporate would be mildly unhappy, but they know that it happens all the time. Notice that they got on the plane on “stand-by” without available seats in the first place! So while technically it was against regulations, things like this happen all the time in less regulated countries.

bobthepanda 6y ago
While the event took place with a Spanish company, are European-wide regulators not more stringent?
- SllX 6y ago
  You’re still depending on Spain to enforce them. There’s a big difference between American Federal law where the Feds are in charge of enforcing Federal law and the States are in charge of enforcing their own laws; and Pan-EU laws where a law is really an agreement to pass a bunch of laws by the member nations who then enforce them using whatever enforcement mechanisms they have. By passing the agreement as laws through their own legislatures, they in effect become a part of each member nation’s national laws. As far as I know there’s no EU FBI/DEA and the closest agency to it is more like Interpol. See also the kerfuffle between Apple, Ireland and the EU where the EU went after both Apple and Ireland to get the Irish to enforce some European agreement that may or may not have prohibited whatever Irish tax regime was (is?) in place.
  - lutoma 6y ago
    > Pan-EU laws where a law is really an agreement to pass a bunch of laws by the member nations who then enforce them using whatever enforcement mechanisms they have. By passing the agreement as laws through their own legislatures, they in effect become a part of each member nation’s national laws These types of EU laws are called EU directives, which as you described first need to be "transcribed" into national law by the respective parliaments. As a result they don't go into into force in all member states at the same time, and there is some more leeway concerning their implementation. However, there are also EU regulations, which are immediately binding in all member states in their original form as soon as they are passed by the EU, much like US federal laws. It is true though that even for EU regulations, the EU generally does not have their own enforcement capability and so there can still be differences from state to state on how strictly regulations are interpreted. The GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) is an example of the latter kind of law, btw.

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