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Because privacy is a right. And being bribed into giving it up is not a solution.

cblconfederate 6y ago
happiness and safety are rights too. Some people get paid extra to give up some of their safety or happiness and we consider it the right thing to do. It's not all black and white
- ivanche 6y ago
  Hm, show me one constitution which declares "happiness" as right?
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    the american i think
    - rtkaratekid 6y ago
      That’s actually in our Declaration of Independence from the British Empire. I don’t recall the constitution including it as well (although most Americans consider it a given because it was in the DOI). Originally Jefferson wrote, “the pursuit of land,” but that was changed at one of the conventions before it was ratified by representatives of the colonies at the time.
AntiImperialist 6y ago
Does the right to bear arms mean that someone should give you a gun for free? Whether it's a right has nothing to do with whether you have to pay for it.
- ragebol 6y ago
  A right in itself costs nothing, to exercise a right is something else. If you've always had (some level of) privacy and that is (suddenly) taken away. With gun, you don't have one by default and getting one costs something. With privacy you (should) have it by default and now it would cost something to keep it. I wonder if people would accept to have to give up a gun they already had and then get paid to not have one anymore, while they have a right to have a gun.
  - AntiImperialist 6y ago
    You're talking as if Google is getting into your home and taking away your privacy. A milkman knew where you lived, a plumber knows what your interiors looked like. You sacrifice your privacy for service. Google is no different. You used their services in exchange for your information. It costs you nothing to not use these services.
    - Gibbon1 6y ago
      The milkman and plumber aren't in the business of spying on me and selling that information to people that will use it to harm me. The deal with google is their spying goes beyond any business relationship.
      - AntiImperialist 6y ago
        No, Google is neither spying on your nor selling your information to third parties. When you use their service, they know about you. When they filter our spam for you in Gmail, their software reads your emails. When you look up in Maps where you are, their service tracks where you are. By the way, you can delete your data and stop tracking anytime while continuing to use the service (something you could not do with your milkman or your plumber). They could always continue doing it behind your backs, but the milkman could also poison you. You have to trust them and take legal action if you catch them doing something that they are they aren't. When advertisers want to use Google, they tell Google where they want their ads. For example, a dental clinic can tell Google something along the lines of "Show my ads in search engines to people in my area who are searching for 'affordable dentist'" and pay Google when people click the ads. The dental clinic never gets any user data from Google.

happiness and safety are rights too. Some people get paid extra to give up some of their safety or happiness and we consider it the right thing to do. It's not all black and white

ivanche 6y ago
Hm, show me one constitution which declares "happiness" as right?
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  the american i think
  - rtkaratekid 6y ago
    That’s actually in our Declaration of Independence from the British Empire. I don’t recall the constitution including it as well (although most Americans consider it a given because it was in the DOI). Originally Jefferson wrote, “the pursuit of land,” but that was changed at one of the conventions before it was ratified by representatives of the colonies at the time.

AntiImperialist 6y ago

Does the right to bear arms mean that someone should give you a gun for free? Whether it's a right has nothing to do with whether you have to pay for it.

ragebol 6y ago
A right in itself costs nothing, to exercise a right is something else. If you've always had (some level of) privacy and that is (suddenly) taken away. With gun, you don't have one by default and getting one costs something. With privacy you (should) have it by default and now it would cost something to keep it. I wonder if people would accept to have to give up a gun they already had and then get paid to not have one anymore, while they have a right to have a gun.
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  You're talking as if Google is getting into your home and taking away your privacy. A milkman knew where you lived, a plumber knows what your interiors looked like. You sacrifice your privacy for service. Google is no different. You used their services in exchange for your information. It costs you nothing to not use these services.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    The milkman and plumber aren't in the business of spying on me and selling that information to people that will use it to harm me. The deal with google is their spying goes beyond any business relationship.
    - AntiImperialist 6y ago
      No, Google is neither spying on your nor selling your information to third parties. When you use their service, they know about you. When they filter our spam for you in Gmail, their software reads your emails. When you look up in Maps where you are, their service tracks where you are. By the way, you can delete your data and stop tracking anytime while continuing to use the service (something you could not do with your milkman or your plumber). They could always continue doing it behind your backs, but the milkman could also poison you. You have to trust them and take legal action if you catch them doing something that they are they aren't. When advertisers want to use Google, they tell Google where they want their ads. For example, a dental clinic can tell Google something along the lines of "Show my ads in search engines to people in my area who are searching for 'affordable dentist'" and pay Google when people click the ads. The dental clinic never gets any user data from Google.