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You could make this same argument for cell phones, computers, commercial CTV, commercial data, why are we worried about this now because of some residential sec

You could make this same argument for cell phones, computers, commercial CTV, commercial data, why are we worried about this now because of some residential security cameras.

0xdde 6y ago
Because that is the specific topic of this thread? The same arguments are brought up with these other aspects, too. Are you trying to suggest that the problems with those other mediums somehow negate the problem here?
Reelin 6y ago
> cell phones Not live streamed to police. Warrant required for location data last I checked. > computers Don't generally share anything other than analytics data. Might upload content to one or more clouds with user permission. Data certainly not easily available to police without a warrant. > commercial CTV Again, not live streamed to police. Access often requested (and typically granted) in person during the course of an investigation. > commercial data And again, not live streamed to police. Warrant typically required.
- throwaway69123 6y ago
  Warrents arent required for things people give to the police willingly. Commerical data is definately being provided to police and other government agencies without warrants.
  - Reelin 6y ago
    > Warrents arent required for things people give to the police willingly. I never claimed they were. > Commerical data is definately being provided to police and other government agencies without warrants. Obviously that claim is true because someone somewhere has almost certainly done so at some point. However, it is a misrepresentation of the overall situation. The vast majority of large tech companies have public policies clearly stating that they require a warrant or subpoena in order to hand over data. Moreover, court records would appear to indicate that this really is the case. Many of your comments on this article contain non sequiturs and false equivalencies. Honestly, you don't appear to be engaging in this discussion in good faith.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    When that information is being provided en masse, perhaps warrants should be required. And either way, something being legal does not stop it from being a big problem.
pessimizer 6y ago
What planet are you living on where people aren't making the same arguments about all of those things?

You could make this same argument for cell phones, computers, commercial CTV, commercial data, why are we worried about this now because of some residential security cameras.

0xdde 6y ago

Because that is the specific topic of this thread? The same arguments are brought up with these other aspects, too. Are you trying to suggest that the problems with those other mediums somehow negate the problem here?

Reelin 6y ago

> cell phones Not live streamed to police. Warrant required for location data last I checked. > computers Don't generally share anything other than analytics data. Might upload content to one or more clouds with user permission. Data certainly not easily available to police without a warrant. > commercial CTV Again, not live streamed to police. Access often requested (and typically granted) in person during the course of an investigation. > commercial data And again, not live streamed to police. Warrant typically required.

throwaway69123 6y ago
Warrents arent required for things people give to the police willingly. Commerical data is definately being provided to police and other government agencies without warrants.
- Reelin 6y ago
  > Warrents arent required for things people give to the police willingly. I never claimed they were. > Commerical data is definately being provided to police and other government agencies without warrants. Obviously that claim is true because someone somewhere has almost certainly done so at some point. However, it is a misrepresentation of the overall situation. The vast majority of large tech companies have public policies clearly stating that they require a warrant or subpoena in order to hand over data. Moreover, court records would appear to indicate that this really is the case. Many of your comments on this article contain non sequiturs and false equivalencies. Honestly, you don't appear to be engaging in this discussion in good faith.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  When that information is being provided en masse, perhaps warrants should be required. And either way, something being legal does not stop it from being a big problem.

pessimizer 6y ago

What planet are you living on where people aren't making the same arguments about all of those things?