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Dont you think its is a huge leap, comparing a private company allowing citizens to share their private property (their security footage) with law enforcement t
by throwaway69123 6y ago
Dont you think its is a huge leap, comparing a private company allowing citizens to share their private property (their security footage) with law enforcement to a totalitarian government?
- serf 6y agogiven that the surveillance view and scope of a ring camera isn't necessarily confined to the owners' home, it doesn't seem far-fetched. It's a system by which bystanders are footing the bill themselves to add nodes to surveillance networks that may be used in an authoritarian function with little permission from the node owner in the unforeseeable future.
- throwaway69123 6y agoYou could make this same argument for cell phones, computers, commercial CTV, commercial data, why are we worried about this now because of some residential security cameras.
- 0xdde 6y agoBecause that is the specific topic of this thread? The same arguments are brought up with these other aspects, too. Are you trying to suggest that the problems with those other mediums somehow negate the problem here?
- Reelin 6y ago> cell phones Not live streamed to police. Warrant required for location data last I checked. > computers Don't generally share anything other than analytics data. Might upload content to one or more clouds with user permission. Data certainly not easily available to police without a warrant. > commercial CTV Again, not live streamed to police. Access often requested (and typically granted) in person during the course of an investigation. > commercial data And again, not live streamed to police. Warrant typically required.
- throwaway69123 6y agoWarrents arent required for things people give to the police willingly. Commerical data is definately being provided to police and other government agencies without warrants.
- Reelin 6y ago> Warrents arent required for things people give to the police willingly. I never claimed they were. > Commerical data is definately being provided to police and other government agencies without warrants. Obviously that claim is true because someone somewhere has almost certainly done so at some point. However, it is a misrepresentation of the overall situation. The vast majority of large tech companies have public policies clearly stating that they require a warrant or subpoena in order to hand over data. Moreover, court records would appear to indicate that this really is the case. Many of your comments on this article contain non sequiturs and false equivalencies. Honestly, you don't appear to be engaging in this discussion in good faith.
- Dylan16807 6y agoWhen that information is being provided en masse, perhaps warrants should be required. And either way, something being legal does not stop it from being a big problem.
- pessimizer 6y agoWhat planet are you living on where people aren't making the same arguments about all of those things?
- inquirerofsorts 6y ago> to a totalitarian government Have you actually ever visited China? The US incarcerates, bombs and has more murders (^apart from a few 3rd world hellholes) per capita than anywhere else. What type of government do you call that? "Glorious Democracy"? This hyperbole helps no one and this forum deserves better. 1 in 5 people on Earth live there, ascribing all the bad things to that many people is disingenuous at best and malicious jingoism at worst.
- throwaway69123 6y agoNot supporting communism depsite the amount of people who live under it is not hyperbole.
- Reelin 6y agoA totalitarian utopia would still be totalitarian, no? Similarly, it seems a democratic hellhole would still be democratic.
- mensetmanusman 6y agohttps://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/ https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/ Not quite everywhere else... unless you are adding # of bombs + number of prisoners + number of murders... not sure that is a meaningful number though :)
- thereare5lights 6y agoOne is straightforward with how bad it is. The other keep eroding rights slowly while people fail to notice just how much power they're amassing.