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You've answered it yourself > what is the best path to end this ridiculous custom? > minimum wage

curiousgeorgio 6y ago
Do you really think a higher minimum wage would end the expectation of tipping? Asking honestly, because I just don't see that as a solution to this problem. There's a discussion to be had around minimum wage, but that feels like an entirely separate issue.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  Yes, it would. Civilized states have done away with tipped minimum wages, so employees can no longer complain about being taken advantage of by employers not paying them for tip totals not getting them to minimum wage limits.
- airstrike 6y ago
  There are different minimum wages for people in e.g. restaurant service, which is to me the quintessential tipping experience. If that went away, it could perhaps pave the path to less tipping overall But I'm not defending the argument, just adding to the debate. I'm fine with tipping, personally, because I think it aligns incentives to encourage good service. That good looking people get better tips doesn't bother me in the slightest—life isn't fair.
nomdep 6y ago
1. Everyone stop tipping. 2. Greedy enployers can't use the promise of tipping as an excuse so they start to paying minimun wage. 3. Government intervenes making sure minimum wage is paid. It starts with (1).
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  I'd say it starts with 3 otherwise all people in tip-funded service industry get screwed by the more wealthy people using their services.
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    The tipping hasn’t stopped even in states and cities the government has already done (3).
- mbirth 6y ago
  But what to do about all those waiters/waitresses that previously made money like some senior engineer and now get paid only minimum wage?
  - ryanbrunner 6y ago
    They wouldn't get even minimum wage. Servers earn less than minimum wage in many places, to compensate for the fact that they get tips. Starting your movement with "don't tip" is a great way to punish workers without much chance of being successful. It should probably start with the restaurants, or even regulation.
    - mbirth 6y ago
      AFAIK almost everywhere there's a law that makes it illegal to pay below minimum wage. And if they don't like it, they're free to find a better paid job for an unskilled worker elsewhere.

Do you really think a higher minimum wage would end the expectation of tipping? Asking honestly, because I just don't see that as a solution to this problem. There's a discussion to be had around minimum wage, but that feels like an entirely separate issue.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
Yes, it would. Civilized states have done away with tipped minimum wages, so employees can no longer complain about being taken advantage of by employers not paying them for tip totals not getting them to minimum wage limits.
airstrike 6y ago
There are different minimum wages for people in e.g. restaurant service, which is to me the quintessential tipping experience. If that went away, it could perhaps pave the path to less tipping overall But I'm not defending the argument, just adding to the debate. I'm fine with tipping, personally, because I think it aligns incentives to encourage good service. That good looking people get better tips doesn't bother me in the slightest—life isn't fair.

nomdep 6y ago

1. Everyone stop tipping. 2. Greedy enployers can't use the promise of tipping as an excuse so they start to paying minimun wage. 3. Government intervenes making sure minimum wage is paid. It starts with (1).

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
I'd say it starts with 3 otherwise all people in tip-funded service industry get screwed by the more wealthy people using their services.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  The tipping hasn’t stopped even in states and cities the government has already done (3).
mbirth 6y ago
But what to do about all those waiters/waitresses that previously made money like some senior engineer and now get paid only minimum wage?
- ryanbrunner 6y ago
  They wouldn't get even minimum wage. Servers earn less than minimum wage in many places, to compensate for the fact that they get tips. Starting your movement with "don't tip" is a great way to punish workers without much chance of being successful. It should probably start with the restaurants, or even regulation.
  - mbirth 6y ago
    AFAIK almost everywhere there's a law that makes it illegal to pay below minimum wage. And if they don't like it, they're free to find a better paid job for an unskilled worker elsewhere.