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This is exactly right. However, Trump has been harming his case dramatically by making hyperinflated claims to the public in the process, claims that are extrem

This is exactly right. However, Trump has been harming his case dramatically by making hyperinflated claims to the public in the process, claims that are extremely unlikely to be true, and could undermine the very trust the court cases could produce.

b20000 6y ago
Trump has every right to ask for a recount, and as far as I know, nothing is final until all votes have been counted and it's decided that there was no fraud.
sacks2k 6y ago
Trump can run his mouth off, but it doesn't mean there isn't voter fraud. His attorneys are the ones that are collecting evidence and will present them to the courts.
- api 6y ago
  They have yet to present anything compelling and have lost everywhere, including in some very “red” areas.
- hilbertseries 6y ago
  Can’t wait for this evidence that’s been promised for the last two weeks, but has yet to be delivered. Trump also claimed there was widespread voter fraud in 2016, that caused him to lose the popular vote. He was never able to produce any evidence of this, even after having a committee do an investigation.
  - noncoml 6y ago
    You are talking to someone who believes Trump when he says that he will release his tax returns. The likelihood of him producing any fraud evidence is the same as real easing his tax returns.
    - hilbertseries 6y ago
      Yes, I learned to argue by reading the myth of Sisyphus.
    - sacks2k 6y ago
      "You are talking to someone who believes Trump when he says that he will release his tax returns." I'm an individual, not a group. You have no idea what I believe about Trump's tax returns. I expected to have intelligent conversations/discussions here on HN, but all the half-hearted, biased responses I'm seeing, and the downvoting, tells me that it's probably not going to happen.
      - noncoml 6y ago
        > I'm an individual, not a group. You have no idea what I believe about Trump's tax returns. If you tell me that you don’t believe that he will release his tax statement I will apologize. I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. Genuinely.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - dctoedt 6y ago
        > I expected to have intelligent conversations/discussions here on HN, but all the half-hearted, biased responses I'm seeing, and the downvoting, tells me that it's probably not going to happen. You're being downvoted because you're cherry-picking the "facts" you want to believe, which goes very much against the HN ethos.
      - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        it happens but not every time. you have to understand that humans are humans.
      - noncoml 6y ago
        > I'm an individual, not a group. You have no idea what I believe about Trump's tax returns. If you tell me that you don’t believe that he will release his tax statement and has been lying to the whole world for 4 years I will apologize. But from your answer, I believe I was dead on, on my assumption.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > His attorneys are the ones that are collecting evidence and will present them to the courts. Well, I mean, they haven’t in the couple dozen cases that have already been dismissed, and most of them have quit, and the remaining ones have often had to make humiliating admissions that they had no evidence of grandiose claims made in opening statements in those cases and the others that haven't yet finished petering out. But, sure, keep believing that eventually Rudy Giuliani is going to pull evidence of something out of some orifice.
- netsharc 6y ago
  > Trump can run his mouth off It's frankly quite embarassing that the holder of that office, an office used to be held by people you'd expect to show leadership and some sort of level-headedness, is basically getting a pass that he behaves like a clown, a very entitled kindergartner, and... what else can I compare him to? > but it doesn't mean there isn't voter fraud. If I had to bet money, I wouldn't bet that all the votes cast were legal and good, there is probably at least 1 vote which was "bad", but come on, Biden's lead in each of the states being challenged are around a few thousand, and fraud that large is very hard to hide. So far Team Total Landscaping has failed 30+ legal challenges because they could only bring trivial bullshit before the judges, and the judges have mostly thrown their cases out. > His attorneys are the ones that are collecting evidence and will present them to the courts. See above. Giuliani is apparently charging the campaign $20,000 a day [0] (ok he's since issued a denial[1]) and he's the one whispering to Trump that there was fraud. Well done Rudy you scumbag, you're scamming the scammer. But I doubt you'll ever see the money, but maybe you'll be able to go to some nice dinners and pay with IOUs saying "Yeah the Trump 2020 campaign owes me a million dollars, when they pay me, I'll pay you, we good here?". For $20,000 a day, I'd go on stage and scream quotes from My Cousin Vinny as well, aren't we all just prostitutes. [0] https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-is-asking-for-dollar20k-a-day-to-launch-ridiculous-election-lawsuits-nyt-reports https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-is-asking-for-do... [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-denies-asking-for-dollar20000-a-day-to-do-legal-work-for-trump/ar-BB1b6qfk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-denies-aski...
  - loopz 6y ago
    Sounds like a bribe.
  - sacks2k 6y ago
    "It's frankly quite embarassing that the holder of that office, an office used to be held by people you'd expect to show leadership and some sort of level-headedness, is basically getting a pass that he behaves like a clown, a very entitled kindergartner, and... what else can I compare him to?" As compared to pretty much every Democrat in every office for the past 4 years calling Trump supporters Nazis and saying and tweeting things just as bad if not worse? Why are you giving them a pass? "Biden's lead in each of the states being challenged are around a few thousand, and fraud that large is very hard to hide. So far Team Total Landscaping has failed 30+ legal challenges because they could only bring trivial bullshit before the judges, and the judges have mostly thrown their cases out." This may be true, but it needs to be sorted out. They are most likely buying time while they put together the much bigger case that ties everything together. I personally found dead people that voted in Multiple states that received a ballot. This was based on SSN, address, name, and birthday. If I could find a dozen of these people without much effort, I can't imagine the amount of dead people that actually cast a ballot. How does this even happen? Isn't anyone the least bit curious?? "See above. Giuliani is apparently charging the campaign $20,000 a day [0] (ok he's since issued a denial[1]) and he's the one whispering to Trump that there was fraud. Well done Rudy you scumbag, you're scamming the scammer. But I doubt you'll ever see the money, but maybe you'll be able to go to some nice dinners and pay with IOUs saying "Yeah the Trump 2020 campaign owes me a million dollars, when they pay me, I'll pay you, we good here?". For $20,000 a day, I'd go on stage and scream quotes from My Cousin Vinny as well, aren't we all just prostitutes." Now you lost me. You're high on emotions, low on facts.

b20000 6y ago

Trump has every right to ask for a recount, and as far as I know, nothing is final until all votes have been counted and it's decided that there was no fraud.

sacks2k 6y ago

Trump can run his mouth off, but it doesn't mean there isn't voter fraud. His attorneys are the ones that are collecting evidence and will present them to the courts.

api 6y ago
They have yet to present anything compelling and have lost everywhere, including in some very “red” areas.
hilbertseries 6y ago
Can’t wait for this evidence that’s been promised for the last two weeks, but has yet to be delivered. Trump also claimed there was widespread voter fraud in 2016, that caused him to lose the popular vote. He was never able to produce any evidence of this, even after having a committee do an investigation.
- noncoml 6y ago
  You are talking to someone who believes Trump when he says that he will release his tax returns. The likelihood of him producing any fraud evidence is the same as real easing his tax returns.
  - hilbertseries 6y ago
    Yes, I learned to argue by reading the myth of Sisyphus.
  - sacks2k 6y ago
    "You are talking to someone who believes Trump when he says that he will release his tax returns." I'm an individual, not a group. You have no idea what I believe about Trump's tax returns. I expected to have intelligent conversations/discussions here on HN, but all the half-hearted, biased responses I'm seeing, and the downvoting, tells me that it's probably not going to happen.
    - noncoml 6y ago
      > I'm an individual, not a group. You have no idea what I believe about Trump's tax returns. If you tell me that you don’t believe that he will release his tax statement I will apologize. I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. Genuinely.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - dctoedt 6y ago
      > I expected to have intelligent conversations/discussions here on HN, but all the half-hearted, biased responses I'm seeing, and the downvoting, tells me that it's probably not going to happen. You're being downvoted because you're cherry-picking the "facts" you want to believe, which goes very much against the HN ethos.
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      it happens but not every time. you have to understand that humans are humans.
    - noncoml 6y ago
      > I'm an individual, not a group. You have no idea what I believe about Trump's tax returns. If you tell me that you don’t believe that he will release his tax statement and has been lying to the whole world for 4 years I will apologize. But from your answer, I believe I was dead on, on my assumption.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> His attorneys are the ones that are collecting evidence and will present them to the courts. Well, I mean, they haven’t in the couple dozen cases that have already been dismissed, and most of them have quit, and the remaining ones have often had to make humiliating admissions that they had no evidence of grandiose claims made in opening statements in those cases and the others that haven't yet finished petering out. But, sure, keep believing that eventually Rudy Giuliani is going to pull evidence of something out of some orifice.
netsharc 6y ago
> Trump can run his mouth off It's frankly quite embarassing that the holder of that office, an office used to be held by people you'd expect to show leadership and some sort of level-headedness, is basically getting a pass that he behaves like a clown, a very entitled kindergartner, and... what else can I compare him to? > but it doesn't mean there isn't voter fraud. If I had to bet money, I wouldn't bet that all the votes cast were legal and good, there is probably at least 1 vote which was "bad", but come on, Biden's lead in each of the states being challenged are around a few thousand, and fraud that large is very hard to hide. So far Team Total Landscaping has failed 30+ legal challenges because they could only bring trivial bullshit before the judges, and the judges have mostly thrown their cases out. > His attorneys are the ones that are collecting evidence and will present them to the courts. See above. Giuliani is apparently charging the campaign $20,000 a day [0] (ok he's since issued a denial[1]) and he's the one whispering to Trump that there was fraud. Well done Rudy you scumbag, you're scamming the scammer. But I doubt you'll ever see the money, but maybe you'll be able to go to some nice dinners and pay with IOUs saying "Yeah the Trump 2020 campaign owes me a million dollars, when they pay me, I'll pay you, we good here?". For $20,000 a day, I'd go on stage and scream quotes from My Cousin Vinny as well, aren't we all just prostitutes. [0] https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-is-asking-for-dollar20k-a-day-to-launch-ridiculous-election-lawsuits-nyt-reports https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-is-asking-for-do... [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-denies-asking-for-dollar20000-a-day-to-do-legal-work-for-trump/ar-BB1b6qfk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-denies-aski...
- loopz 6y ago
  Sounds like a bribe.
- sacks2k 6y ago
  "It's frankly quite embarassing that the holder of that office, an office used to be held by people you'd expect to show leadership and some sort of level-headedness, is basically getting a pass that he behaves like a clown, a very entitled kindergartner, and... what else can I compare him to?" As compared to pretty much every Democrat in every office for the past 4 years calling Trump supporters Nazis and saying and tweeting things just as bad if not worse? Why are you giving them a pass? "Biden's lead in each of the states being challenged are around a few thousand, and fraud that large is very hard to hide. So far Team Total Landscaping has failed 30+ legal challenges because they could only bring trivial bullshit before the judges, and the judges have mostly thrown their cases out." This may be true, but it needs to be sorted out. They are most likely buying time while they put together the much bigger case that ties everything together. I personally found dead people that voted in Multiple states that received a ballot. This was based on SSN, address, name, and birthday. If I could find a dozen of these people without much effort, I can't imagine the amount of dead people that actually cast a ballot. How does this even happen? Isn't anyone the least bit curious?? "See above. Giuliani is apparently charging the campaign $20,000 a day [0] (ok he's since issued a denial[1]) and he's the one whispering to Trump that there was fraud. Well done Rudy you scumbag, you're scamming the scammer. But I doubt you'll ever see the money, but maybe you'll be able to go to some nice dinners and pay with IOUs saying "Yeah the Trump 2020 campaign owes me a million dollars, when they pay me, I'll pay you, we good here?". For $20,000 a day, I'd go on stage and scream quotes from My Cousin Vinny as well, aren't we all just prostitutes." Now you lost me. You're high on emotions, low on facts.