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This "crammed" design allows for button-function coupling, which makes buttons stateless and predictable.

sjg007 6y ago
I don’t know about anyone else but the move to touch screens has been awful. I don’t need 2 menu layers to adjust the air temp or seat heater. All I really want is apple carplay.
- kindatrue 6y ago
  +1000 It's one thing to have a touch screen to control your phone - where your attention is the phone. It's another to have a touch screen to control the accessories of your car - where your attention is driving.
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canofbars 6y ago
Yep, When you want FM you can press the FM button rather than press the mode switch an unknown number of times requiring you to watch the display. My car has a rotary selector for air con mode and I usually just turn it all the way to one side and move it the number of clicks I know are needed. That way no looking is required.
- SamBam 6y ago
  I don't think any technology has improved on the decades-old three-dial system for air control in a car.
  - criddell 6y ago
    You're not fan of thermostat controlled systems where you set a temperature you want and that's what it maintains? We have a Subaru with manual settings (3 dials) and a Volvo with a thermostat. The Volvo was set the day we bought it and I don't know that we've messed with it since. The Subaru, on the other hand, is always being adjusted. The Volvo one seems to be smart enough to know when hot or cold (dry) air is needed on the windshield. It's pretty great.
    - userbinator 6y ago
      3 dials, with one being the temperature, one being the fan speed, and one more for the modes: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/99/f0/d899f00fe8ae8cb22e6e0bafe1438282.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/99/f0/d899f00fe8ae8cb22e6e...
      - 1123581321 6y ago
        They're aware; they're saying that targeted temperature is a simpler control that obviates the need to try to manually tune the fan, used vents and degree of heat.
        OJFord 6y ago
        But the reasoning for choice of the first two isn't just about desired temperature. Basically I think three dial is the right UI, but the temp one should be a thermostat, not output control (as I guess it generally is based on experience) - that doesn't obviate the need for (or utility of) the other two.
        1123581321 6y ago
        I was just trying to help the disconnect between those users. I think that makes sense. I also like the utility of applying air to the different vents, especially in the winter as I live in a cold area and either defrost faster, warm my feet faster or warm my hands faster.
        innocenat 6y ago
        But fan speed is different than temperature?
        criddell 6y ago
        I believe the Volvo system ties fan speed to the difference desired and actual temperature / humidity.
      - 6y ago

I don’t know about anyone else but the move to touch screens has been awful. I don’t need 2 menu layers to adjust the air temp or seat heater. All I really want is apple carplay.

kindatrue 6y ago
+1000 It's one thing to have a touch screen to control your phone - where your attention is the phone. It's another to have a touch screen to control the accessories of your car - where your attention is driving.
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canofbars 6y ago

Yep, When you want FM you can press the FM button rather than press the mode switch an unknown number of times requiring you to watch the display. My car has a rotary selector for air con mode and I usually just turn it all the way to one side and move it the number of clicks I know are needed. That way no looking is required.

SamBam 6y ago
I don't think any technology has improved on the decades-old three-dial system for air control in a car.
- criddell 6y ago
  You're not fan of thermostat controlled systems where you set a temperature you want and that's what it maintains? We have a Subaru with manual settings (3 dials) and a Volvo with a thermostat. The Volvo was set the day we bought it and I don't know that we've messed with it since. The Subaru, on the other hand, is always being adjusted. The Volvo one seems to be smart enough to know when hot or cold (dry) air is needed on the windshield. It's pretty great.
  - userbinator 6y ago
    3 dials, with one being the temperature, one being the fan speed, and one more for the modes: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/99/f0/d899f00fe8ae8cb22e6e0bafe1438282.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/99/f0/d899f00fe8ae8cb22e6e...
    - 1123581321 6y ago
      They're aware; they're saying that targeted temperature is a simpler control that obviates the need to try to manually tune the fan, used vents and degree of heat.
      - OJFord 6y ago
        But the reasoning for choice of the first two isn't just about desired temperature. Basically I think three dial is the right UI, but the temp one should be a thermostat, not output control (as I guess it generally is based on experience) - that doesn't obviate the need for (or utility of) the other two.
        1123581321 6y ago
        I was just trying to help the disconnect between those users. I think that makes sense. I also like the utility of applying air to the different vents, especially in the winter as I live in a cold area and either defrost faster, warm my feet faster or warm my hands faster.
      - innocenat 6y ago
        But fan speed is different than temperature?
        criddell 6y ago
        I believe the Volvo system ties fan speed to the difference desired and actual temperature / humidity.
    - 6y ago