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How would one explain to a Facebook addict why they should get the vaccine and that it's not a Bill Gates/NWO conspiracy to sterilise them?

by tjpnz 6y ago

supercanuck 6y ago
I had this same thought experiment, let’s assume this vaccine were 95% effective and the government sent a tablet to everyone in the mail. What would the outcome be? I posed this question to Soccer Dads and immediately was told they wouldn’t risk the long term effects of a vaccine. Same dads that wouldn’t wear a mask and don’t fear the unknown long term effects of COVID
- kgin 6y ago
  There is something there about the different standards people use to judge the virus vs the vaccine. The vaccine could have “unknown long term effects”. But the virus “only has an x%” death rate”. No concern about unknown long term effects.
joaomacp 6y ago
Don't try to convince them forcefully, or else you will strengthen their belief in brainwashing. Explain rationally why YOU believe the vaccine works, and the evidence as to why you are convinced, and accept if they don't change their beliefs. From experience, sometimes people are very refusing when arguing in person, but over time they think it over and might change their mind.
tboyd47 6y ago
You have to convince them that the pros of getting it outweigh the cons, like convincing anyone of anything.
mikece 6y ago
I would start by convincing them to get off of Facebook... the massive improvements to mental health one would see from that step alone would be amazing. In a way, I kinda hope the Section 230 debate does cause FB and Twitter to go dark for a few weeks... we could actually start talking to real humans without a computer in the middle!
floatingatoll 6y ago
Refuse to ever see them in person again until they do. Block them from viewing your Facebook wall until they do. Open every phone conversation by asking them if they have done so, and to send you a photo of the certificate if they did, or otherwise politely but firmly end the conversation and hang up. If they show up to a family gathering, leave immediately and take your children with you. Ask them to send you a photo of their smallpox vaccination scar, if they have one. It’s not about convincing them that you’re right, because you can’t do that - they’re addicted to Facebook, so reason is clearly not operating as it is. It’s about changing how they weight their decision using factors you can control, like your physical presence and your Facebook wall. (If you don’t know them well enough to see them in person, don’t bother, just cut them off and block them from seeing and commenting on anything you post.)
- whatshisface 6y ago
  That's a great list of things to do if you want to feel self-righteous, but what do you do if you actually want to convince them?
  - floatingatoll 6y ago
    Those are all ways to pressure them into accepting your viewpoint and getting vaccinated for Covid. No rational/logical argument basis would reliably succeed that I know of. People will surely try and no doubt some will succeed, but the argument approach is more likely to cause them to strengthen their anti-vaccination position than to change it. The only way to reliably win is not to argue. Be clear that it matters to you, politely refuse to respond to barbs and baits, walk away rather than settle for their presence, deny them participation in your life, and ask them if their position has changed on a regular basis. If you can construct a rational/logical argument method that is generally and widely effective, you can cure anti-vaxxers and anti-maxxers, and a whole lot of other societal ills. I support any such effort but after a couple decades I’ve gotten nowhere.
    - whatshisface 6y ago
      The idea that rational argument won't work does not imply that social pressure will... Or does it? How do we know? Have you ever successfully pressured someone into doing something?

How would one explain to a Facebook addict why they should get the vaccine and that it's not a Bill Gates/NWO conspiracy to sterilise them?

by tjpnz 6y ago

How would one explain to a Facebook addict why they should get the vaccine and that it's not a Bill Gates/NWO conspiracy to sterilise them?

supercanuck 6y ago

I had this same thought experiment, let’s assume this vaccine were 95% effective and the government sent a tablet to everyone in the mail. What would the outcome be? I posed this question to Soccer Dads and immediately was told they wouldn’t risk the long term effects of a vaccine. Same dads that wouldn’t wear a mask and don’t fear the unknown long term effects of COVID

kgin 6y ago
There is something there about the different standards people use to judge the virus vs the vaccine. The vaccine could have “unknown long term effects”. But the virus “only has an x%” death rate”. No concern about unknown long term effects.

joaomacp 6y ago

Don't try to convince them forcefully, or else you will strengthen their belief in brainwashing. Explain rationally why YOU believe the vaccine works, and the evidence as to why you are convinced, and accept if they don't change their beliefs. From experience, sometimes people are very refusing when arguing in person, but over time they think it over and might change their mind.

tboyd47 6y ago

You have to convince them that the pros of getting it outweigh the cons, like convincing anyone of anything.

mikece 6y ago

I would start by convincing them to get off of Facebook... the massive improvements to mental health one would see from that step alone would be amazing. In a way, I kinda hope the Section 230 debate does cause FB and Twitter to go dark for a few weeks... we could actually start talking to real humans without a computer in the middle!

floatingatoll 6y ago

Refuse to ever see them in person again until they do. Block them from viewing your Facebook wall until they do. Open every phone conversation by asking them if they have done so, and to send you a photo of the certificate if they did, or otherwise politely but firmly end the conversation and hang up. If they show up to a family gathering, leave immediately and take your children with you. Ask them to send you a photo of their smallpox vaccination scar, if they have one. It’s not about convincing them that you’re right, because you can’t do that - they’re addicted to Facebook, so reason is clearly not operating as it is. It’s about changing how they weight their decision using factors you can control, like your physical presence and your Facebook wall. (If you don’t know them well enough to see them in person, don’t bother, just cut them off and block them from seeing and commenting on anything you post.)

whatshisface 6y ago
That's a great list of things to do if you want to feel self-righteous, but what do you do if you actually want to convince them?
- floatingatoll 6y ago
  Those are all ways to pressure them into accepting your viewpoint and getting vaccinated for Covid. No rational/logical argument basis would reliably succeed that I know of. People will surely try and no doubt some will succeed, but the argument approach is more likely to cause them to strengthen their anti-vaccination position than to change it. The only way to reliably win is not to argue. Be clear that it matters to you, politely refuse to respond to barbs and baits, walk away rather than settle for their presence, deny them participation in your life, and ask them if their position has changed on a regular basis. If you can construct a rational/logical argument method that is generally and widely effective, you can cure anti-vaxxers and anti-maxxers, and a whole lot of other societal ills. I support any such effort but after a couple decades I’ve gotten nowhere.
  - whatshisface 6y ago
    The idea that rational argument won't work does not imply that social pressure will... Or does it? How do we know? Have you ever successfully pressured someone into doing something?