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I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

by m1117 6y ago

throwaway3699 6y ago
I'm not anti vaxx. But I totally understand after institution after institution failed us all, that people will be skeptical about a miracle vaccine developed in mere months. I have faith in the scientists, but anyone can see the incentives are dodgy here.
- singemonkey 6y ago
  Please cite the lengthy list of institutions that have failed us all.
  - jackfrodo 6y ago
    Uhh, points at 2020 The CDC advising people to not buy masks in February because "they don't work" comes to mind. The US Gov in general completely letting businesses and individuals plunge into bankruptcy. I think a lot of people have been awakened to the fact that "the system" is pretty ambivalent to their personal well-being.
    - stu2b50 6y ago
      How about the German well-known biotech company that actually developed the vaccine that Pfizer is distributing?
    - klmadfejno 6y ago
      Government is incompetent therefore private pharma company vaccines aren't safe. Got it.
      - jackfrodo 6y ago
        I know you're being facetious but unironically yes.
      - hannasanarion 6y ago
        You know the private pharma company in question is German, right? Is the German government also responsible for America's high caseload?
    - bawolff 6y ago
      Scientists are people to. They don't magically know how a new never before seen virus works, instantly. It takes time to study it. Advice at the beginning are best guesses; some is going to turn out to be wrong. With time and experience, knowledge gets more firm, advice shifts and solidifies.
      - jackfrodo 6y ago
        Exactly. And going by vaccine timelines, we're still at the very beginning, so I don't blame people for being hesitant to get injected with it.
        bawolff 6y ago
        We're hardly at the "beginning". There have been very large trials to establish safety and efficacy. Sure its not like we have years of study, but its hardly the beginning. More like the middle.
  - DuracellBunny 6y ago
    The US election system Federal Reserve Bank protecting you from the financial crisis Congress, signing off on "covid relief bill" still hasn't happened the list goes on and on..Time to wake my friend, or keep swalling the blue pills, it's far easier
  - sidr 6y ago
    The FAA and its allowing Boeing to "self-certify" the 737-MAX.
- dboreham 6y ago
  I think it's easier to support this concern the older you get. Here's why: as you age, you begin to see documentaries on TV and YouTube that expose widespread government coverup and misinformation operations from the past, (and this is crucial) about episodes through which you lived. The obvious example for me is the nuclear industry. A concrete example: in the 1970s we were told that nuclear power plants were entirely safe because a) they have control rods to stop fission and b) they're safely contained. As an engineering student I would have happily told friends and family these things as received facts. In reality a) post-scram the reactor carries on dissipating megawatts so it will easily melt and b) all sorts of gas and liquid under pressure needs to be vented from the containment system and c) some of those gasses are explosive, so it isn't able to contain. Fukushima nicely illustrated these factors. Iterate this a few times and you end up with this uneasy feeling that nothing you're told with authority can be relied upon. Having gone through the experience of believing something then discovering it was a lie feels different than someone just telling you that governments and authority figures lie. Not saying here that one should avoid the vaccine, just that experience shows that a healthy skepticism is warranted. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.
  - fooflarney 6y ago
    Agree 100%, people underestimate how vicious and cruel supposedly benevolent the wizards of capitalist drug manufacturers can be. Much of our modern pharmaceuticals originate from Nazi organizations like IG Farben, pfizer, bayer, merck... (operation paperclip) all not prosecuted after ww2. Your nuclear example is one I also remind people of as well. As climate change wreaks havoc (something science rationale minded folk believe), somehow they think events like Fukushima will "just be fine", when the reality is that Fukushima will possibly never be contained, and we may have multiple fukushima type events globally if the inability to power and manage them is taken away by circumstances beyond a government or intl agencie's control.
- aantix 6y ago
  I can remember a time where government surveillance alarmists were dismissed as conspiracy theorists wearing tinfoil hats. Then Snowden released the documents and not only was it true, wide spread surveillance, but it was much deeper than any civilian could have imagined. UFOs - again, dismissive, denied for decades. And now they've casually released videos from the Navy showing aerial vehicles performing maneuvers that none of our current technology is capable of.
drukenemo 6y ago
Thanks for doing that. I'll follow right after you (and a bunch of others).
ZitchDog 6y ago
Me too. I signed up for a trial but wasn't accepted. Vaccines are amazing.
whatshisface 6y ago
Vaccines are not 100% effective. You should continue to isolate until the virus is gone. If everyone that gets vaccinated immediately starts partying again, that 10% or so for whom the vaccine has no effect will contribute to prolonging the pandemic.
- atlantacrackers 6y ago
  Yeah, no.
- anoncake 6y ago
  The virus will never be gone.
- Supermancho 6y ago
  > until the virus is gone Gotta go kill all those animal carriers and test/innoculate every person in the world (more or less) continuously for some time, then you have a chance. The specific virus will not be eradicated within our grandchildren's lifetime, afaik.
chaostheory 6y ago
Life can resume right now. Everyone just needs to wear a mask. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-face-mask-protection-vaccine-cdc-director/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-face-mask-protection-vacc... https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/masks-vs-vaccine https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronav...
- Exmoor 6y ago
  >"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because it may be 70%. And if I don't get an immune response, the vaccine is not going to protect me," This is from September before the results of the vaccines were known. The two vaccines we have data on have a ~95% protection rate from getting symptomatic COVID. Additionally, of that 5% of vaccinated folks who did get symptomatic COVID, there cases appear to be much less severe than the control group.
  - chaostheory 6y ago
    That's based on PR statements alone. Unless I missed it, they still haven't released any data.
just-juan-post 6y ago
Some of us never stopped =)

I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

by m1117 6y ago

I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

I'm not anti vaxx. But I totally understand after institution after institution failed us all, that people will be skeptical about a miracle vaccine developed in mere months. I have faith in the scientists, but anyone can see the incentives are dodgy here.

singemonkey 6y ago
Please cite the lengthy list of institutions that have failed us all.
- jackfrodo 6y ago
  Uhh, points at 2020 The CDC advising people to not buy masks in February because "they don't work" comes to mind. The US Gov in general completely letting businesses and individuals plunge into bankruptcy. I think a lot of people have been awakened to the fact that "the system" is pretty ambivalent to their personal well-being.
  - stu2b50 6y ago
    How about the German well-known biotech company that actually developed the vaccine that Pfizer is distributing?
  - klmadfejno 6y ago
    Government is incompetent therefore private pharma company vaccines aren't safe. Got it.
    - jackfrodo 6y ago
      I know you're being facetious but unironically yes.
    - hannasanarion 6y ago
      You know the private pharma company in question is German, right? Is the German government also responsible for America's high caseload?
  - bawolff 6y ago
    Scientists are people to. They don't magically know how a new never before seen virus works, instantly. It takes time to study it. Advice at the beginning are best guesses; some is going to turn out to be wrong. With time and experience, knowledge gets more firm, advice shifts and solidifies.
    - jackfrodo 6y ago
      Exactly. And going by vaccine timelines, we're still at the very beginning, so I don't blame people for being hesitant to get injected with it.
      - bawolff 6y ago
        We're hardly at the "beginning". There have been very large trials to establish safety and efficacy. Sure its not like we have years of study, but its hardly the beginning. More like the middle.
- DuracellBunny 6y ago
  The US election system Federal Reserve Bank protecting you from the financial crisis Congress, signing off on "covid relief bill" still hasn't happened the list goes on and on..Time to wake my friend, or keep swalling the blue pills, it's far easier
- sidr 6y ago
  The FAA and its allowing Boeing to "self-certify" the 737-MAX.
dboreham 6y ago
I think it's easier to support this concern the older you get. Here's why: as you age, you begin to see documentaries on TV and YouTube that expose widespread government coverup and misinformation operations from the past, (and this is crucial) about episodes through which you lived. The obvious example for me is the nuclear industry. A concrete example: in the 1970s we were told that nuclear power plants were entirely safe because a) they have control rods to stop fission and b) they're safely contained. As an engineering student I would have happily told friends and family these things as received facts. In reality a) post-scram the reactor carries on dissipating megawatts so it will easily melt and b) all sorts of gas and liquid under pressure needs to be vented from the containment system and c) some of those gasses are explosive, so it isn't able to contain. Fukushima nicely illustrated these factors. Iterate this a few times and you end up with this uneasy feeling that nothing you're told with authority can be relied upon. Having gone through the experience of believing something then discovering it was a lie feels different than someone just telling you that governments and authority figures lie. Not saying here that one should avoid the vaccine, just that experience shows that a healthy skepticism is warranted. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.
- fooflarney 6y ago
  Agree 100%, people underestimate how vicious and cruel supposedly benevolent the wizards of capitalist drug manufacturers can be. Much of our modern pharmaceuticals originate from Nazi organizations like IG Farben, pfizer, bayer, merck... (operation paperclip) all not prosecuted after ww2. Your nuclear example is one I also remind people of as well. As climate change wreaks havoc (something science rationale minded folk believe), somehow they think events like Fukushima will "just be fine", when the reality is that Fukushima will possibly never be contained, and we may have multiple fukushima type events globally if the inability to power and manage them is taken away by circumstances beyond a government or intl agencie's control.
aantix 6y ago
I can remember a time where government surveillance alarmists were dismissed as conspiracy theorists wearing tinfoil hats. Then Snowden released the documents and not only was it true, wide spread surveillance, but it was much deeper than any civilian could have imagined. UFOs - again, dismissive, denied for decades. And now they've casually released videos from the Navy showing aerial vehicles performing maneuvers that none of our current technology is capable of.

drukenemo 6y ago

Thanks for doing that. I'll follow right after you (and a bunch of others).

ZitchDog 6y ago

Me too. I signed up for a trial but wasn't accepted. Vaccines are amazing.

whatshisface 6y ago

Vaccines are not 100% effective. You should continue to isolate until the virus is gone. If everyone that gets vaccinated immediately starts partying again, that 10% or so for whom the vaccine has no effect will contribute to prolonging the pandemic.

atlantacrackers 6y ago
Yeah, no.
anoncake 6y ago
The virus will never be gone.
Supermancho 6y ago
> until the virus is gone Gotta go kill all those animal carriers and test/innoculate every person in the world (more or less) continuously for some time, then you have a chance. The specific virus will not be eradicated within our grandchildren's lifetime, afaik.

chaostheory 6y ago

Life can resume right now. Everyone just needs to wear a mask. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-face-mask-protection-vaccine-cdc-director/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-face-mask-protection-vacc... https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/masks-vs-vaccine https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronav...

Exmoor 6y ago
>"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because it may be 70%. And if I don't get an immune response, the vaccine is not going to protect me," This is from September before the results of the vaccines were known. The two vaccines we have data on have a ~95% protection rate from getting symptomatic COVID. Additionally, of that 5% of vaccinated folks who did get symptomatic COVID, there cases appear to be much less severe than the control group.
- chaostheory 6y ago
  That's based on PR statements alone. Unless I missed it, they still haven't released any data.

just-juan-post 6y ago

Some of us never stopped =)