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YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is un

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

zucked 6y ago
Agreed. I had Youtube Premium through Google Play Music until Google finally axed GPM. I was so disappointed by how poorly Google handled that process that I cancelled my subscription and lost my YT premium. Youtube is completely unbearable without premium - I have no idea how non-subscribers tolerate Youtube content. The ads are so intrusive. I would totally pay $5-$10 per month for a Youtube only subscription but I feel like the $18/mo for a family plan is a bit steep.
- lstamour 6y ago
  FYI, YouTube Music received almost every feature of Google Play Music except the app design. An in-depth review of the two can be found over here: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/24/google-play-music-to-youtube-music-making-the-switch/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/24/google-play-music-t... Personally I wish all these music streaming services could agree on metadata sharing such that I could enable apps like last.fm to review listening history across every service, and offer my listening history and playlists to every service to receive better recommendations. It feels odd that I can listen to the same song from 4-5 different services that I subscribe to legally, yet none of the services has a complete picture of what I like to listen to unless I pick one and use it as often as I can. I had thought that playlist sync would be a way to improve my recommendations, but it seems most services look at listening history rather than playlists. It's also irritating that every company has its own way of doing playback sync between devices, whether it's AirPlay, ChromeCast, Spotify Connect, Alexa, YouTube app, etc. There is no way things should be this fractured and hard to use for music playback and recommendation in the next decade, we need more standards. :)
  - Notorious_BLT 6y ago
    Youtube Music's handling of my uploaded music is really poor compared to GPM (sectioned off from everything else), so that alone was enough to make me dump my subscription when GPM was shut down. Now I run my own Plex server on a Raspberry Pi with an external drive and get a better experience than I had before, minus discovery.
    - jeffbee 6y ago
      I actually prefer the way YTM segments my uploads from the general catalog, as it gives me some possibly unfounded confidence in the idea that I'm going to be listening to the edition I expect, and not something like a 20th anniversary re-release with 15 extra tracks. GPM has this really bad problem where their treatment of my uploads was seriously broken and I would see, just as one example, multiple copies of every track on one album. I don't see this since the YTM conversion.
- benhurmarcel 6y ago
  Exactly, I'd pay for Youtube Premium if it didn't come bundled with a music subscription, and the price reflected that.
IgniteTheSun 6y ago
Cable TV started as paid ad-free TV also. It now has so many ads that it is almost unwatchable at times. One wonders how much further YouTube can take this - it appears they are approaching the optimal point for extracting revenue from videos, so where is their future revenue growth going to come from? I miss the YouTube of old rather than this commercialized version. To me, Tik Tok seems like more like the original YouTube than YouTube does. I for one have become so annoyed with the level of ads that I have reduced my consumption of YouTube. To me, it seems like there is a much higher rate of advertising on a per-content-minute basis on YouTube than there is on TV.
- JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
  YouTube will push the needle to the extent Cable did and a new platform will be born. It's the circle of technology. Then the next video platform will feel like the YouTube of ~8 years ago. The maximally optimal value to the end user waxes and wanes throughout the business cycle, and unfortunately we're in the trough.
  - majormajor 6y ago
    It's also key to note that had Cable NOT pushed ads as far as they had, they still would have been disrupted. It was a rational decision, since revenue today is often worth more than in the uncertain-for-so-many-reasons future. It's part of why you can't rely on the market or competitive forces alone, if you think something is an issue of public good, you need regulation.
    - neltnerb 6y ago
      If they didn't show ads I doubt they would have cared as much about time shifting and ad skipping would never have been relevant. Sure would have helped them avoid collapsing. Let's not pretend they weren't incredibly hostile to watching shows you're paying for already, when you want to and without the ads you paid to avoid, even though they didn't need to even build any infrastructure for it. Add the rest of their anti-customer policies like bundling channels and it seems clear that their campaign to get rid of all their cable customers simply succeeded.
pletsch 6y ago
How is the mobile experience for YT Music? Looking at switching, I imagine they have the desktop experience down. I love Spotify, but I can't imagine a worse experience outside of their mobile app. The web player was nice but fails to load music two-three times per listening session (to be fair, they are usually 5-8hrs), the desktop application is slow, clunky, and will regularly not play music I have downloaded.
- natex 6y ago
  There are three deal breakers for me. 1) You can't organize Albums by artist. 2) Your Youtube (video) likes are included in the pool of liked songs in the music app. 3) Artists you are subscribed to in the music app are included in your Youtube (video) subscriptions.
- tsycho 6y ago
  I hated it initially, but am fine with it now. When YTM is better than GPM: 1/ Auto-created playlists, especially after you just search for a song and hit play. On GPM, it would play different covers on the same song (basically all the search results) by default, unless you started a radio, which is a cool concept but was hit and miss in practice. On YTM, it continues with similar songs, and I have liked their selection so far. 2/ The library seems to have increased; I guess they have access to more songs that were YT exclusive for some reason. 3/ While I normally never use video mode on YTM, but once in a while for a cool song, it's nice to be able to seamlessly switch to video and cast to my TV. On the cons side, I don't like the playlist management and home screen UI (which is what I hated initially), but it's not bothering me much anymore now that I am getting used to it I guess. Initially, I had planned to just cancel the subscription, but held on because using YouTube with ads was just plain intolerable. I get reminded of this everytime I open a Youtube link on my work account Chrome profile by mistake.
  - lstamour 6y ago
    +1 on that last issue. I don't understand why Google doesn't include ad-free YouTube as part of a perk for using Google Workspace. Also I wish I could tell Chrome to open some links in other profiles at all times, and only those links, kind of like Firefox might do. Actually, come to think of it, I probably use Chrome too much and should try alternatives instead.
zwkrt 6y ago
I can't believe that you actually decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. There is also a lot of good content for toddlers IRL.
- Cro_on 6y ago
  One could argue that all good content for toddlers is IRL and none of the content on yt.
- mythz 6y ago
  Most content is unbearable with Ads so I pay as I do every other entertainment service that I want to spend my time watching. With YouTube most of the revenue (55%) go to the creator which I'm also happy to support. IMO it's a net positive that it has created new business models that's open to anyone with a camera/mobile.
- jeromenerf 6y ago
  Paying for content instead of being fed ads doesn’t seem unbelievable to me. On the other hand, the method employed by YouTube is just akin to its contents. 90% BS.
- pnathan 6y ago
  Actually, it's about paying for service received. You pay by ads or you pay by wallet.
- mox1 6y ago
  I pay $15 / month for the youtube music family plan. That includes ad free youtube and ad free youtube kids. Youtube kids (with proper video/channel whitelisting) is the main thing my toddlers watch. It has BBC shows (peppa pig), PBS kids, and 2 great kid friendly content crators (Blippi and Steve and Maggie). Of course there is lots of good "IRL" kids content, but propery setup, Youtube kids is pretty good and fairly priced in my opinion.
- gist 6y ago
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soperj 6y ago
There's no good content for toddlers on youtube. Toddlers shouldn't be watching anything.
mixmastamyk 6y ago
Youtube should not be watched by kids, it even has a minimum age of 13 in the TOS. Then what? PBS Kids FTW. No ads, no harmful content, and (probably much) less surveillance.
- muro 6y ago
  Youtube kids does not have the age 13 requirement.
  - mixmastamyk 6y ago
    It still has occasional inappropriate or dumb content and surveillance. Also unclear what % of parents bother with yt kids.
- psychstudio 6y ago
  Similarly, in Australia ABC kids (live and streaming on iView) has more content than any kid could ever consume in a lifetime.
beached_whale 6y ago
My understanding, Linus Tech Tips did a breakdown of their revenue, is that Youtube premium subscribers get more money to the creators than ads. With that, the day they bring adverts into Youtube Premium, is the day I stop paying for it. That would be them going the way of cable companies all in.
- lelandbatey 6y ago
  Indeed, I've seen revenue breakdowns from a number of content creators and each of them makes it clear that if you have YouTube premium, when you watch a single video you give the creator approximately 10x the revenue of a single free user who only sees ads. Likewise, the day that they start putting ads into YouTube premium is the day I abandon the platform.
648d361 6y ago
I recently found this and use it to get and retain all the videos I like (not just from youtube), it's super simple which is exactly why I like it: https://github.com/tomszilagyi/copycat https://github.com/tomszilagyi/copycat
OOPMan 6y ago
Vanced YouTube also gets of rid all the ads and doesn't involve giving money to Google. Oh, and of course uBlock Origin works fine on proper computers too.

zucked 6y ago

Agreed. I had Youtube Premium through Google Play Music until Google finally axed GPM. I was so disappointed by how poorly Google handled that process that I cancelled my subscription and lost my YT premium. Youtube is completely unbearable without premium - I have no idea how non-subscribers tolerate Youtube content. The ads are so intrusive. I would totally pay $5-$10 per month for a Youtube only subscription but I feel like the $18/mo for a family plan is a bit steep.

lstamour 6y ago
FYI, YouTube Music received almost every feature of Google Play Music except the app design. An in-depth review of the two can be found over here: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/24/google-play-music-to-youtube-music-making-the-switch/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/24/google-play-music-t... Personally I wish all these music streaming services could agree on metadata sharing such that I could enable apps like last.fm to review listening history across every service, and offer my listening history and playlists to every service to receive better recommendations. It feels odd that I can listen to the same song from 4-5 different services that I subscribe to legally, yet none of the services has a complete picture of what I like to listen to unless I pick one and use it as often as I can. I had thought that playlist sync would be a way to improve my recommendations, but it seems most services look at listening history rather than playlists. It's also irritating that every company has its own way of doing playback sync between devices, whether it's AirPlay, ChromeCast, Spotify Connect, Alexa, YouTube app, etc. There is no way things should be this fractured and hard to use for music playback and recommendation in the next decade, we need more standards. :)
- Notorious_BLT 6y ago
  Youtube Music's handling of my uploaded music is really poor compared to GPM (sectioned off from everything else), so that alone was enough to make me dump my subscription when GPM was shut down. Now I run my own Plex server on a Raspberry Pi with an external drive and get a better experience than I had before, minus discovery.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    I actually prefer the way YTM segments my uploads from the general catalog, as it gives me some possibly unfounded confidence in the idea that I'm going to be listening to the edition I expect, and not something like a 20th anniversary re-release with 15 extra tracks. GPM has this really bad problem where their treatment of my uploads was seriously broken and I would see, just as one example, multiple copies of every track on one album. I don't see this since the YTM conversion.
benhurmarcel 6y ago
Exactly, I'd pay for Youtube Premium if it didn't come bundled with a music subscription, and the price reflected that.

IgniteTheSun 6y ago

Cable TV started as paid ad-free TV also. It now has so many ads that it is almost unwatchable at times. One wonders how much further YouTube can take this - it appears they are approaching the optimal point for extracting revenue from videos, so where is their future revenue growth going to come from? I miss the YouTube of old rather than this commercialized version. To me, Tik Tok seems like more like the original YouTube than YouTube does. I for one have become so annoyed with the level of ads that I have reduced my consumption of YouTube. To me, it seems like there is a much higher rate of advertising on a per-content-minute basis on YouTube than there is on TV.

JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
YouTube will push the needle to the extent Cable did and a new platform will be born. It's the circle of technology. Then the next video platform will feel like the YouTube of ~8 years ago. The maximally optimal value to the end user waxes and wanes throughout the business cycle, and unfortunately we're in the trough.
- majormajor 6y ago
  It's also key to note that had Cable NOT pushed ads as far as they had, they still would have been disrupted. It was a rational decision, since revenue today is often worth more than in the uncertain-for-so-many-reasons future. It's part of why you can't rely on the market or competitive forces alone, if you think something is an issue of public good, you need regulation.
  - neltnerb 6y ago
    If they didn't show ads I doubt they would have cared as much about time shifting and ad skipping would never have been relevant. Sure would have helped them avoid collapsing. Let's not pretend they weren't incredibly hostile to watching shows you're paying for already, when you want to and without the ads you paid to avoid, even though they didn't need to even build any infrastructure for it. Add the rest of their anti-customer policies like bundling channels and it seems clear that their campaign to get rid of all their cable customers simply succeeded.

pletsch 6y ago

How is the mobile experience for YT Music? Looking at switching, I imagine they have the desktop experience down. I love Spotify, but I can't imagine a worse experience outside of their mobile app. The web player was nice but fails to load music two-three times per listening session (to be fair, they are usually 5-8hrs), the desktop application is slow, clunky, and will regularly not play music I have downloaded.

natex 6y ago
There are three deal breakers for me. 1) You can't organize Albums by artist. 2) Your Youtube (video) likes are included in the pool of liked songs in the music app. 3) Artists you are subscribed to in the music app are included in your Youtube (video) subscriptions.
tsycho 6y ago
I hated it initially, but am fine with it now. When YTM is better than GPM: 1/ Auto-created playlists, especially after you just search for a song and hit play. On GPM, it would play different covers on the same song (basically all the search results) by default, unless you started a radio, which is a cool concept but was hit and miss in practice. On YTM, it continues with similar songs, and I have liked their selection so far. 2/ The library seems to have increased; I guess they have access to more songs that were YT exclusive for some reason. 3/ While I normally never use video mode on YTM, but once in a while for a cool song, it's nice to be able to seamlessly switch to video and cast to my TV. On the cons side, I don't like the playlist management and home screen UI (which is what I hated initially), but it's not bothering me much anymore now that I am getting used to it I guess. Initially, I had planned to just cancel the subscription, but held on because using YouTube with ads was just plain intolerable. I get reminded of this everytime I open a Youtube link on my work account Chrome profile by mistake.
- lstamour 6y ago
  +1 on that last issue. I don't understand why Google doesn't include ad-free YouTube as part of a perk for using Google Workspace. Also I wish I could tell Chrome to open some links in other profiles at all times, and only those links, kind of like Firefox might do. Actually, come to think of it, I probably use Chrome too much and should try alternatives instead.

zwkrt 6y ago

I can't believe that you actually decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. There is also a lot of good content for toddlers IRL.

Cro_on 6y ago
One could argue that all good content for toddlers is IRL and none of the content on yt.
mythz 6y ago
Most content is unbearable with Ads so I pay as I do every other entertainment service that I want to spend my time watching. With YouTube most of the revenue (55%) go to the creator which I'm also happy to support. IMO it's a net positive that it has created new business models that's open to anyone with a camera/mobile.
jeromenerf 6y ago
Paying for content instead of being fed ads doesn’t seem unbelievable to me. On the other hand, the method employed by YouTube is just akin to its contents. 90% BS.
pnathan 6y ago
Actually, it's about paying for service received. You pay by ads or you pay by wallet.
mox1 6y ago
I pay $15 / month for the youtube music family plan. That includes ad free youtube and ad free youtube kids. Youtube kids (with proper video/channel whitelisting) is the main thing my toddlers watch. It has BBC shows (peppa pig), PBS kids, and 2 great kid friendly content crators (Blippi and Steve and Maggie). Of course there is lots of good "IRL" kids content, but propery setup, Youtube kids is pretty good and fairly priced in my opinion.
gist 6y ago

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soperj 6y ago

There's no good content for toddlers on youtube. Toddlers shouldn't be watching anything.

mixmastamyk 6y ago

Youtube should not be watched by kids, it even has a minimum age of 13 in the TOS. Then what? PBS Kids FTW. No ads, no harmful content, and (probably much) less surveillance.

muro 6y ago
Youtube kids does not have the age 13 requirement.
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  It still has occasional inappropriate or dumb content and surveillance. Also unclear what % of parents bother with yt kids.
psychstudio 6y ago
Similarly, in Australia ABC kids (live and streaming on iView) has more content than any kid could ever consume in a lifetime.

beached_whale 6y ago

My understanding, Linus Tech Tips did a breakdown of their revenue, is that Youtube premium subscribers get more money to the creators than ads. With that, the day they bring adverts into Youtube Premium, is the day I stop paying for it. That would be them going the way of cable companies all in.

lelandbatey 6y ago
Indeed, I've seen revenue breakdowns from a number of content creators and each of them makes it clear that if you have YouTube premium, when you watch a single video you give the creator approximately 10x the revenue of a single free user who only sees ads. Likewise, the day that they start putting ads into YouTube premium is the day I abandon the platform.

648d361 6y ago

I recently found this and use it to get and retain all the videos I like (not just from youtube), it's super simple which is exactly why I like it: https://github.com/tomszilagyi/copycat https://github.com/tomszilagyi/copycat

OOPMan 6y ago

Vanced YouTube also gets of rid all the ads and doesn't involve giving money to Google. Oh, and of course uBlock Origin works fine on proper computers too.